Comment by Aurornis

Comment by Aurornis 4 days ago

7 replies

> I think every EU country would treat him for his condition until he was safe to rejoin society. In the US, he was thrown in the slammer.

From the article, his parents express frustration at their inability to get him committed for treatment in Ireland. They cite the lack of response there as a key factor in his spiral.

Also, the US facility he was sent to did offer psychiatric treatment and the judge urged him to accept it:

> The judge recommended that Clarke serve his sentence at a prison that would give him access to psychiatric treatment and he urged Clarke to accept it.

I understand your objections to the “slammer” but the sentence was actually as lenient as could be, offered the psychiatric treatment he needed, and had an opportunity for him to return to Ireland in a couple years:

> Speaking on behalf of the Clarke family, solicitor Eugene O'Kelly said that they were relieved at the relative leniency of the sentence and expressed the hope Clarke could be returned to Ireland "within a year or two" to serve out his sentence.

jamesblonde 3 days ago

Why do you call it a facility?

Do i need to explain the difference between treatment at a pyschiatric center vs the offer of psychiatric treatment in a prison?

If you think they are somehow equivalent, you are very much mistaken.

You are putting somebody with pyschiatric illness in with hardened criminals. Do they welcome him with open arms?

  • anthomtb 3 days ago

    > difference between treatment at a pyschiatric center vs the offer of psychiatric treatment in a prison?

    The first was rejected by Mr Clarke's own country before committing any crime. The second was offered following a crime which could have cost somebody their life.

    It's a very clear difference in my mind.

    • jamesblonde 3 days ago

      You're talking out your arse now. This is not true: "The first was rejected by Mr Clarke's own country" The country didn't reject it. He refused to get treatment and actually fled the country to escape it.

      So, a crime is a crime even if it is committed by somebody who is insane?

      That is insane!

      • anthomtb 3 days ago

        The article you linked quotes Mr Clarke's father:

        The hardest thing in my life was to sign a committal form to send Niall to hospital.

        And follows with

        Irish health authorities refused to commit Clarke

        That sure sounds like Mr Clarke's country refused to treat him.

        And to your points:

        > He refused to get treatment and actually fled the country to escape it.

        What you are saying and what I said about Mr Clarke's country refusing to treat him can all be true at once.

        > So, a crime is a crime even if it is committed by somebody who is insane?

        Is a crime committed by somebody who is insane, who refuses to get treatment, and who flees their own country in avoidance of treatment, a more acceptable crime?

sealeck 3 days ago

Not everyone is capable of reading an article :)