Comment by close04

> Nobody in real life thinks humans and machines are the same thing

Maybe you've been following a different conversation, or jumping to conclusions is just more convenient. This isn't about "legal status of AI" but about laws written having in mind only the capabilities of humans, at a time when systems as powerful as today's were unthinkable. Obviously the same laws have to set different limits for humans and machines.

There's no law limiting a human's top (running) speed but you have speed limits for cars. Maybe you're legally allowed to own a semi-automatic weapon but not an automatic one. This is the ELI5 for why when legislating, capabilities make all the difference. Obviously a rifle should not have the same legal status or be the same thing as a human, just in case my point is still lost on you.

Literally every single discussion on this LLM training/output topic, this one included, eventually has a number of people basing their argument on "but humans are allowed to do it", completely ignoring that humans can only do it in a much, much more limited way.

> is peformative and disingenuous

That's an extremely uncharitable and aggressive take, especially after not bothering to understand at all what I said.

>That's an extremely uncharitable and aggressive take, especially after not bothering to understand at all what I said.

To be clear, my intent wasn't to say you were the one being performative and disingenuous. I was referring to the sort of person you were debating against, the one who thinks every legal issue involving A.I. can be settled by typing "humans are allowed to do it."

Since I replied to you, I can see how what I wrote was confusing. My apologies.

The parent you replied to claimed LLMs are using "mechanism similar enough to what humans do and what humans do is fine."

Parent probably doesn't want his or her brain shredded like an old hard drive despite claiming similar mechanisms whenever it is convinient.

I'm arguing nobody actually believes there are "similar mechanisms" between machines and humans in their revealed preferences in day to day life.

>There's no law limiting a human's top (running) speed but you have speed limits for cars. Maybe you're legally allowed to own a semi-automatic weapon but not an automatic one.

I don't believe this analogy works. If we're talking about transmitting the text of Harry Potter, I believe it would already be illegal for a single human to type it on demand as a service.

If we are talking about remembering the text of Harry Potter but not reciting it on demand, that's not illegal for a human because copyright doesn't govern human memories.