sat_solver 8 hours ago

You're thinking of information entropy, which is not the same concept as entropy in physics. An ice cube in a warm room can be described using a minimum description length as "ice cube in a warm room" (or a crystal structure inside a fluid space), but if you wait until the heat death of the universe, you just have "a warm room" (a smooth fluid space), which will have an even shorter mdl. Von Neuman should never have repurposed the term entropy from physics. Entropy confuses a lot of people, including me.

zmgsabst 8 hours ago

“Number of terms” is a human language construct.

  • hackinthebochs 7 hours ago

    No, it's a representation construct, i.e. how to describe some system in a given basis. The basis can be mathematical. Fourier coefficients for example.

    • zmgsabst 6 hours ago

      Mathematics is a human language. It being a formal language doesn’t change that.

      Further, it’s not objective: you’re choosing the basis which causes the complexity, but any particular structure can be made simple in some basis.

      • hackinthebochs 5 hours ago

        Mathematical notation is a human invention, but the structure that mathematics describes is objective. The choice of basis changes the absolute number of terms, but the relative magnitude of terms for a more or less disordered state is generally fixed outside of degenerate cases.

amelius 10 hours ago

In a deterministic system you can just use the time as a way to describe a state, if you started from a known state.