Comment by OhNotAPaper

Comment by OhNotAPaper 20 hours ago

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> I can’t believe riding a horse and carriage wouldn’t make you better at riding a horse.

Surely you mean "would"? Because riding a horse and carriage doesn't imply any ability at riding a horse, but the reverse relation would actually make sense, as you already have historical, experiential, intimate knowledge of a horse despite no contemporaneous, immediate physical contact.

Similarly, already knowing what you want to write would make you more proficient at operating a chatbot to produce what you want to write faster—but telling a chatbot a vague sense of the meaning you want to communicate wouldn't make you better at communicating. How would you communicate with the chatbot what you want if you never developed the ability to articulate what you want by learning to write?

EDIT: I sort of understand what you might be getting at—you can learn to write by using a chatbot if you mimic the chatbot like the chatbot mimics humans—but I'd still prefer humans learn directly from humans rather than rephrased by some corporate middle-man with unknown quality and zero liability.

Frummy 8 hours ago

From the thread: yes, it's sarcasm. Here's some clarification as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44291314

Yes, I'm acknowledging a lack of skill transfer, but that there are new ways of working and so I sarcastically imply the article can't see the forest for the trees, missing the big picture. A horse and carriage is very useful for lots of things. A horse is more specialised. I'm getting at the analogy of a technological generalisation and expansion, while logistics is not part of my argument. If you want to write a very good essay and if you're good at that then do it manually. If you want to create scalable workflows and have 5 layers of agents interacting with each other collaboratively and adversarially scouring the internet and newssites and forums to then send investment suggestions to your mail every lunch then that's a scale that's not possible with a pen and paper and so prompting has an expanded cause and effect cone

wcoenen 19 hours ago

The first sentence in the comment you are responding to is sarcasm. Just replace "I can't believe" with "Of course".

  • OhNotAPaper 16 hours ago

    > The first sentence in the comment you are responding to is sarcasm. Just replace "I can't believe" with "Of course".

    Do you have any evidence of this?

    • wcoenen 15 hours ago

      No, because of Poe's law only the author of the comment can confirm. But the analogy makes sense then:

      "[Of course] writing an essay with chatgpt wouldn’t make you better at writing essays unassisted. Sure, a student wouldn’t want to practice the wrong way, but anyone else just wants to produce a good essay."

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