Comment by pfdietz

Comment by pfdietz a day ago

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BEVs powered by PV use two orders of magnitude less land than ICEVs burning biofuels.

Biofuels are just incredibly land (and water) hungry. In the post fossil fuel age, biofuels will be reserved for special applications, if that (and for providing carbonaceous feedstocks for the organic chemical industry.)

throwawaymaths a day ago

> use two orders of magnitude less land

not if you use stover and cob. in those cases, you use net zero new land (you were growing kernels anyways)

  • pfdietz 20 hours ago

    Using a process that no one is using. Ethanol from cellulose failed.

    • throwawaymaths 4 hours ago

      Clearly. Worth asking why though, if it wasn't scientific (assuming my recollection is correct). Is it because of patents? Lost knowledge? Better alternative? Subtle engineering issue?

      • pfdietz 2 hours ago

        It was a technical failure, I believe. It was too difficult to hydrolyze cellulose and hemicellulose efficiently into a mixture that would allow enzymatic conversion to ethanol. Enzymes are easily poisoned and the mixture is more complex than what one gets from starch (which is just polymerized glucose.)

        There is one success story, in Brazil.

        https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/article/75/7/22/2848574/Wh...

        Conversion of cellulosic biomass into chemicals other than ethanol might be the better route to take, particularly if green hydrogen can be used to boost the yield. Virent (which was bought out by an oil company) has a process for doing this. It would yield even more fuel per unit of biomass than conversion to ethanol, as potentially all the carbon can end up in the fuel. The fuel could also be drop-in replacement for existing hydrocarbon fuels. But there's not much interest in this as long as oil is still being used.