Comment by kilroy123

Comment by kilroy123 a day ago

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I've had a LOT of gut problems in my life. I have a physically broken stomach, have had to have stomach surgery in the past, and probably will have to do it again soon.

Most probiotics I've taken did nothing. The only ones that seem to actually work for me are these: https://drohhiraprobiotics.com/

Not sure why it works, but anecdotally, they do.

Other things that have helped significantly – cutting out alcohol.

h2zizzle a day ago

Fermented foods are way more helpful IME. I've even found kombucha protective against mildly spoiled food.

I can also attest to having my first alcoholic drink in a while and it screwing me up for a week.

  • pogue a day ago

    I've always been skeptical of probiotic supplements in general mostly because they are stored/shipped in unrefrigerated environments. I believe in most cases the bacteria would end up dead before you even ingested it. However, some companies have developed strains that can withstand some amount of heat. But you never know where they've been stored/for how long/etc.

    I remember speaking to someone who had the suggestion to try fermenting food with probiotic supplements, as that would be the only realistic way to know if they were still alive.

    There are vendors that do sell probiotic supplements that come shipped in dry ice that people with Crohn's disease & other GI ailments. I don't remember the name of the company that sold them though.

    But, I agree that yogurt or saurkraut/kimchi and other fermented products would be a good way to get some gut bacteria. Those would be great to use after you came off antibiotics, but it wouldn't necessarily help with genital mental health/anxiety (as far as I'm aware).

    Interestingly, yeast has neurotransmitters and neurotransmitter precursors in it such as tryptophan and serotonin. [1]

    Having said all that, I decided to look up the "mood enhancing" probiotic strains I've seen being sold in OTC supplements. The two strains I see are Lactobacillus helveticus Rosell-52 and Bifidobacterium longum Rosell-175 (there may be others I'm unaware of). The studies are quite small, unfortunately. (I didn't read all of them though) [2] [3] [4] [5].

    Finally, this is quite a unique term I haven't come across: Psychobiotics!

    Psychobiotics are probiotics that have the characteristics of modulating central nervous system (CNS) functions or reconciled actions by the gut–brain axis (GBA) through neural, humoral and metabolic pathways to improve gastrointestinal activity as well as anxiolytic and even antidepressant abilities. [6]

    [1] Melatonin and Other Tryptophan Metabolites Produced by Yeasts: Implications in Cardiovascular and Neurodegenerative Diseases https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4718080/

    [2] Assessment of psychotropic-like properties of a probiotic formulation (Lactobacillus helveticus R0052 and Bifidobacterium longum R0175) in rats and human subjects https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20974015/

    [3] Probiotics Promising for Mild to Moderate Depression https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/881877

    [4] The effect of Lactobacillus helveticus fermented milk on sleep and health perception in elderly subjects https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17851460/

    [5] One Giant Leap from Mouse to Man: The Microbiota–Gut–Brain Axis in Mood Disorders and Translational Challenges Moving towards Human Clinical Trials https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8840472/

    [6] Exploring the Potential of Lactobacillus helveticus R0052 and Bifidobacterium longum R0175 as Promising Psychobiotics Using SHIME https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10056475/

    • ac29 9 hours ago

      > I've always been skeptical of probiotic supplements in general mostly because they are stored/shipped in unrefrigerated environments. I believe in most cases the bacteria would end up dead before you even ingested it. However, some companies have developed strains that can withstand some amount of heat. But you never know where they've been stored/for how long/etc.

      Probiotics in pill/capsule form are generally freeze dried, so they are much less temperature sensitive than live bacteria.

AaronAPU a day ago

yeah I had serious gut problems for years and no probiotic ever did the slightest thing. Anecdotally I can’t differentiate them from snake oil.

But Metamucil changed my life dramatically over a span of a few weeks. Never had the type of symptoms it’s indicated for, which everyone I mention it to just assumes. But it fixed me somehow.

  • pogue a day ago

    I was recently talking about fiber & fiber supplements on here in a thread about a new type of fiber that was shown in a study to help with weight loss.

    Acetylated cellulose suppresses mass through commensals consuming carbohydrates https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44219171

rpozarickij 18 hours ago

One doctor recommended this brand to me too not long ago, but I'm a bit worried that this probiotic contains histamine-producing bacteria since I have some histamine sensitivity.

And overall I'm a bit hesitant about consuming too many strains at once.

So far I've been having success with S. boulardii CNCM I-745 (which is actually a probiotic yeast) and I'm trying out L. rhamnosus GG.

Bifidobacterium infantis 35624 also looks interesting.

asdff a day ago

I'm not sure how many probiotics will make it through the stomach acid. One would think suppository would be vastly more effective: parachute directly onto the battlefield.