jjk166 a day ago

How is it not beneficial for the individual to avoid threats to their health and safety?

  • amelius 9 hours ago

    I mean the individual who is sick is now sent into a downward spiral of anxiety and frustration instead of evolution helping them (e.g. by making others take care of them, etc.)

MarkusQ a day ago

Which is to say, maladaptive. Despite all the people wishing evolution worked at the group level, it doesn't. Groups don't have offspring, individuals do, and thus things that are bad for the individual are extinguished regardless of their effect on the group.

If you look closely enough, even individuals aren't the true units of evolution, for the same reason; competing alleles is where the real action is.

  • saltcured a day ago

    When thinking about evolutionary forces, you cannot conflate "positive" outcome with survival and reproduction. An individual might survive and produce offspring via effects that make the individual unhappy in their own life and/or with shortened life.

    It's only when an effect causes death or infertility prior to normal reproductive phases that we can really say it has a direct evolutionary pressure. Anything that happens later is always going to be through secondary, social effects on how their condition supports or hinders their offspring from reproducing further generations.

  • energy123 a day ago

    Alleles are shared with kin which gives rise to multilevel selection effects in rare but real scenarios.

  • MarkusQ a day ago

    Voting me down doesn't change the fact that group selection is a myth. A myth that some people are fervently attached to, but a myth nonetheless. Groups simply don't reproduce at a rate or fidelity to allow evolution at the group level over the time scales in question.

    E pur si muove.