rendall a day ago

I was a tourist in Athens once. Adjacent to the Presidential Mansion is the National Garden, quite lovely. At the time it had a miserable little zoo. In one of the cages was a pair of bedraggled hens. Their backs were entirely bare of any feathers. The reason they were bedraggled and bare was because they were locked in with a rooster. That rooster would mount and rut with them every four seconds or so, all day long, every day. It was one of the most cruel and grotesque tableus I've ever seen.

Reply View 6 replies
  • spookie a day ago

    That's normal rooster behaviour even when free range. Farmers separate them most of the time.

    Reply View 0 replies
  • edm0nd a day ago

    nature is cruel.

    if you think about it, most animals die fucked up deaths and end up starving, injured, or being torn apart by a predator.

    Reply View 3 replies
bowsamic a day ago

We have indoor rabbits and our boy rabbit often mounts the female one (they are both neutered). What else is there to call it but rape? He mounts her, she rejects it and runs away, he insists, eventually she has enough and they have a fight. It’s basically impossible to not call it rape

Reply View 7 replies
  • quesera a day ago

    It's a loaded word though, with psychological and social implications that far exceed the simple description of the act. Absent the psychology and society, what is it? Obnoxious dominant behavior, maybe.

    But in context, is it even obnoxious or is that just humans having opinions again? The hens don't appear to love it, but they don't like being rained on either. And just like being caught in a rainstorm, they shake themselves off, and get on with their day. Is this OK? I don't know, but it's thoroughly normal and necessary for species survival. Hens do not go into heat or have sex drives, so the hen will never initiate or encourage sex. So all chicken mating is nonconsensual. What does consent even mean here? Yet they survive as a (now domesticated) species.

    Similarly, is it "murder" when a coyote eats a chicken? Maybe, but only if we're anthropomorphizing. Really it's just predation. It sets off our moral triggers, but it's an essential function of life -- and for that matter, we do it too and rarely feel bad about it.

    Reply View 0 replies
  • [removed] a day ago
    [deleted]
    Reply View 0 replies
  • dyauspitr 11 hours ago

    Yes, essential all procreation in the wild amounts to rape. Most procreation involves dazzling the female for a few seconds so they can get close enough to rape them. Frankly anything that isn’t rape is abnormal.

    Reply View 0 replies
  • mc32 a day ago

    It’s mating behavior. The don't have the concept of rape. They don’t have peers who punish them for this behavior. It all instinct and nothing else.

    Reply View 3 replies
    • bowsamic a day ago

      It doesn't matter if they have a concept of it, I'm talking about our concept of it, and their behaviour accords to that concept

      Reply View 2 replies
      • quesera a day ago

        Zero chickens are aware of human concepts of order.

        You might as well rail against clouds for forming, or rain for falling.

        Reply View 1 reply