Comment by ChrisMarshallNY

Comment by ChrisMarshallNY a day ago

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Another recent anecdote.

A friend was recently in Milwaukee (first time ever. He was there for a conference).

He, his wife, and another friend, wanted to go out to eat.

They were given a wrong address. Could have been the source, or it could have been they screwed up writing it down. It was definitely a wrong address, though, that they gave to Uber.

The driver picked them up, and took them to the address, which was deep in Da Hood. Not a good area for three middle-class white folks to be wandering around.

The driver insisted they get out, even though it was clearly a wrong address, and a downright dangerous neighborhood (my friend has some experience with rough neighborhoods. If he said it was bad, it was bad).

My friend offered to pay whatever it took, to get to the correct address (they had figured out their mistake, by then), but the driver refused to do that. It was probably algorithmically prohibited.

My friend had never used Uber before (and never will, again), so wasn’t aware that you are supposed to be able to appeal to Uber.

I have a feeling that my friend offered to rearrange the driver’s dental work (Did I mention that he was familiar with tough neighborhoods?), and got the driver to drop them off in a better area, where they caught a cab.

Sounds like a bad customer experience. I doubt Uber ever heard the story. My friend never bothered contacting them, and I will bet that the driver didn’t.

ghushn3 a day ago

If I was that driver, you bet I'd be contacting Uber to try and get your friend banned for life. Threatening a driver is never ok, even less so when it's not his fault.

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  • bscphil a day ago

    I mean, we're talking about a literal crime here, getting banned from Uber is not an adequate punishment for threatening someone with assault.

  • raverbashing a day ago

    Then maybe don't threaten to leave a family in a dangerous area while they're offering to pay it

    • roenxi a day ago

      I don't think that'd hold up against a legal review. It seems like an unreasonable position that some neighbourhood is so terrible that standing there for 20 minutes is an imminent threat. It might even be true, but that isn't a baseline a judge should really accept. The residents who live there obviously get through the day.

      It may well have been very dangerous, but realistically it is hard to make dropping someone off in a residential area a crime. Threatening a driver with physical violence is definitely a crime though.

    • FireBeyond a day ago

      The driver is under precisely zero obligation to provide you a service. He provided the service asked for, too.

    • seivan a day ago

      This is the address they gave to the driver,full stop. After the job’s done, you can’t just tack on extra requests like it’s a buffet. He delivered exactly what you asked, not a mind reading bonus round. It’s not his fault you gave the wrong address, he’s not clairvoyant.

  • kulahan a day ago

    Threatening someone for being a complete asshole is always okay, and even cool.

    I really do not care how uncomfortable it makes the driver to move a family a few extra blocks to somewhere vaguely safe. I’d similarly threaten him if he tried to drop my family off in a forest, or on the side of a highway, even if that’s what the GPS, God’s Position System, tells them to do.

    If your job ends in a way that someone who was your customer is now in danger, you absolutely deserve to be threatened.

    • ghushn3 a day ago

      > Threatening someone for being a complete asshole is always okay, and even cool.

      "Being an asshole" is in the eye of the beholder. Plenty of people thing CEOs are assholes, you are saying that it is "always ok, and even cool" to threaten them? Some people think that religious folks are assholes. Some people think blue haired lefty folks are assholes.

      I think you need better criteria for violence than "I think this person is an asshole". Even if you had a standard definition for asshole, threatening violence is an escalation. Someone flips you the bird, sure, they are an asshole, doesn't mean you can move to threatening to punch them.

      The driver doesn't know these people, doesn't have any protection against them should they do something unpredictable or make a mess of his car outside of the Uber ride. The driver is also making a threat assessment here -- "why did they have me drive to this place and then insist I drive somewhere else? Is this a scam somehow? Is this a precursor to a violent crime?"

      • kulahan 20 hours ago

        lol, three innocent people begging to be taken somewhere safe sure are scamming you. Stop pontificating on situations you’ve never experienced anything within a thousand miles of.

    • kulahan a day ago

      Edit: and if you dislike the fact that you need to have a vague level of care for your fellow man, stop working exclusively with people.

    • ChrisMarshallNY a day ago

      > Threatening someone for being a complete asshole is always okay, and even cool.

      I disagree, but I wasn’t actually there. I only heard one side of the story.

      • kulahan a day ago

        You are disagreeing with the concept, and then saying you only heard one side of… what story?

        I just do not care if my customer service agent has a bad time after putting me in a dangerous situation.

        Do people not realize that this is how the world works? If you are serving customers, putting them IN DANGER, yes EVEN if it was at their own request, is what is actually wrong.

        You don’t let someone ride a roller coaster unrestrained. You don’t let someone eat room temperature meat. You don’t drop a family off in an extremely dangerous neighborhood. Any employee would be right to be ridiculed for allowing any of these things - ESPECIALLY when a child is concerned.

raptorfactor a day ago

If your friend thinks it's okay to threaten to assault a driver, especially for an issue that wasn't the driver's fault, then it sounds like "da hood" is where he belongs...

  • ChrisMarshallNY a day ago

    Not sure if he did. He probably didn’t have to. He’s a big guy, but also one of the most decent people I know (but let’s not assume anything). He never said he did. It was my assumption (ASS out of U and ME). It’s also possible he bribed the driver enough. He could certainly afford it. I didn’t actually ask him. I do know that he (and the two women with him) were pretty terrified of being left in the middle of that area, and scared people can get pretty pithy. This guy used to run night clubs in Miami. It would probably have been a lot less of an issue, if he had been alone.

    What he was amazed at, was the driver’s insistence that they get out, without any recourse or care. A Waymo could do the same, I guess, but they could also sit in it until the company contacted them, or the cops showed up.

    A New York cabbie would probably threaten him right back, but would also have known they were headed for a bad patch, and maybe have asked if they had the right address. This was their first time ever, in Milwaukee, and I suspect Milwaukee cabbies are of a similar stripe to New York cabbies. I know quite a few former cabbies.

    Funny how the least verifiable thing in the story is the one everyone hooked on. I guess I could ask him. It happened last week. Not sure if I’d want to spoil everyone’s good time calling him a criminal, if it turns out he was just able to shame the driver into accepting a couple of Jacksons to get out of there. If he did, I suspect Uber would sanction the driver, for accepting a fare, outside their system.

    • umanwizard a day ago

      So basically, you’re admitting key elements of your original story were made up?

      > A Waymo could do the same, I guess, but they could also sit in it until the company contacted them, or the cops showed up.

      How’s this different from an uber? If this guy is as big and strong as you say, the uber driver has no more ability to force him out than a Waymo does.

      • ChrisMarshallNY a day ago

        > So basically, you’re admitting key elements of your original story were made up?

        Sure, and I regret it. I didn’t think it was a “key element.” The part that struck me, was the inflexibility of the driver. A real cabbie might laugh at you, but happily take more money to get out of there.

        If he had refused to leave (which he did), then the driver might be legitimately worried. It sounds like the driver didn’t really understand which neighborhood he was in, or he would have been a lot more scared. A classic robbery technique against cabbies, is getting them to drive to bad neighborhoods, then robbing them.

        The thing that struck me, was the complete lack of situational awareness, or customer service ethos, on the part of the driver. That seems to be an inevitable result of the Uber business model, and folks that sign up as Uber drivers, need to be aware of the dangers and responsibilities.

        When you have people in your car, you have their lives in your hands, and your employer’s brand integrity, as well. The driver’s behavior resulted in some brand damage to Uber. My friend’s behavior may have resulted in a permanent ban, but he certainly didn’t care, as he’s done with Uber, anyway.

        If, on the other hand, the driver had been sympathetic and helpful, he could have had three grateful, enthusiastic evangelists for Uber. Any experienced customer service person knows that having an upset customer, that admits they are in the wrong, but is also upset, is gold. It can easily be mined for the advantage of the service provider, or turned into a complete shitshow (which is what happened, here).

        In the end, it sounds like it turned out OK for everyone (except Uber, who permanently lost three customers).

    • fc417fc802 a day ago

      The absurdity here is that any cabbie would be happy to continue driving you around as long as you're able to pay for it. It's the entire business model after all.

      • bena a day ago

        Ubers aren't cabs. They are paid for the ride itself, not for the time of the ride. There is no meter to run.

        Honestly, in a city of any significant size, I prefer taxis. Taxis have accountability. And they know that it's about moving fares, so in a decently populated area, you do better by getting more fares rather than more out of a fare.

whimsicalism a day ago

The only difference with the Waymo experience would be that there would be nobody your friend could threaten to assault for putting in the wrong address.

  • anon84873628 a day ago

    The Waymo also can't force you to get out. Probably you can just give it a new address.

    • whimsicalism a day ago

      Have you ever used a Waymo?

      • fc417fc802 a day ago

        Is that relevant? It's a driverless car. Simply don't get out. Maybe it drives you back to dispatch or to the police station. Maybe the police show up to the current location. Regardless its got to be safer than wandering around a neighborhood you definitely don't belong in.

  • lcnPylGDnU4H9OF a day ago

    Heh, from the sounds of things it’s more likely the Waymo would have simply driven to their actual destination.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44281694

    • whimsicalism 18 hours ago

      these tales are generally the apocryphal dreams of suburbanites. the uber driver would have pulled a gun on you?

      i’m sorry but i grew up in urban America, nobody is mugging people under an account tied to their name/DL

      • ChrisMarshallNY 16 hours ago

        I grew up in substantially more dangerous environs than urban America.

        It's entirely possible to live quite safely, in urban US areas, but the opposite is also true, and those folks are the ones that like people that live in the bubbles.

umanwizard a day ago

Huh? Your friend paid uber to take them to an address, and they did.

  • ChrisMarshallNY a day ago

    Actually, it sounds like my friend was robbed. Classic gypsy cab robbery.

    • lcnPylGDnU4H9OF a day ago

      The confusion around getting the address wrong is an interesting tell. If you think you’re not likely to make that mistake, anyway. It’s also a bit late to realize at that point since you’re already in the bad area.

      But it reminds me of tech support scams which usually have an element of convincing the victim that they made a mistake.

      • bena a day ago

        Yeah, but the route is on your phone as well. The driver cannot deviate from that course without you knowing.

        • ChrisMarshallNY a day ago

          Unless they cancel the ride, and you ignore the notification.

          I was talking to someone recently, and they were telling me about how they got a (Lyft, I think) ride from the airport (JFK), and the driver picked them up, and said that the ride had been canceled (as they got into the car), but that for $20, he'd take them where they were going (I assume the ride was less than $20).

          Apparently, this is fairly common. There's been a couple of articles about how the Uber and Lyft drivers around JFK and LaGuardia have learned to game the system. They can also conspire to drive up the pricing.