Comment by porphyra

Comment by porphyra 2 days ago

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Also, in the US people have a deathly fear of bedsharing with the baby due to concerns about sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and yet bedsharing is common in places like Japan while they also have a much lower infant mortality rate. Apparently, newborns just sleep very poorly lying on their backs alone in cold, hard cribs rather than nuzzling against their moms' breasts. As a result, the common advice in the US has not only led to skyrocketing cases of postpartum depression, but also delayed milestones such as head lifting, plus more cases of plagiocephaly and torticollis.

(that said, as a new dad, I'm also deathly afraid of SIDS so I still stuck by the American recommendations, sleep be darned)

sarchertech 2 days ago

Bed sharing isn’t just about SIDS, it’s about litterally just rolling over and smothering your child (sometimes those do get lumped in together, but increasingly they are separated if they can be).

If you are overweight, sleep on a standard western style mattress, have any sleep disorders, smoke, drink, use illegal drugs, or even some prescription medications, you are much more likely to smother your infant.

The risk of all sleep related causes of death is around 1/1000 in the US, but you can reduce that risk 100x if you follow all of the safe sleeping recommendations.

1/1000 is pretty low but it’s higher than the chance of your infant dying in a car accident, disease, or any other cause of death for full term healthy babies.

My wife (pediatric ER doctor) has had to declare numerous babies dead from a parent rolling over and suffocating their infant and usually the parents weren’t intoxicated at the time.

I have 2 kids (and a 3rd on the way). I know how hard it is to follow all the safe sleeping recommendations, but the risk is real and the cost is so high.

rescripting 2 days ago

Some of that fear isn’t necessarily unfounded. In America the people are larger and the beds are softer. This creates a larger, deeper divot around the adult for the baby to roll in to and suffocate.

Enginerrrd 2 days ago

Most of the American parents I know practiced bed-sharing including myself. But we would also answer "no" when asked about at the doctor's office because that's the "right" answer. So... I am skeptical about any negative statistics on bedsharing. We're not obese and don't drink or do drugs. That probably mitigates a huge amount of associated risk.

scythe 2 days ago

I've come to think the American norm is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bedsharing becomes dangerous mostly when the parents fall asleep intoxicated. You might have noticed that you're much more likely to wake up with your arm partially numb if you pass out drunk than if you go to sleep sober. But because bed sharing is discouraged, it's mostly less responsible parents who do it, which creates a stronger apparent correlation with infant suffocation.

  • randerson 2 days ago

    And not just alcohol. America is highly medicated. Someone who takes sleeping pills for example is unlikely to be subconsciously aware of their surroundings.

  • svnt 2 days ago

    I think this might have been the case early on. Now it seems the reality is more nuanced.

    Now the default discourages bedsharing, but we know and can witness personally the many positive effects. The warning causes us to be more conscientious about doing it if we choose to, and for those who default to obeisance they are in their minds making the responsible choice.

    Because of the social stigma, those who do bedsharing responsibly are not being accurately reflected in the data, causing only those careless enough to admit it to be captured.

throwaway173738 2 days ago

If you ask around among other parents you’re going to find that bed sharing is a lot more common than the medical community wants it to be. We had a lot of reasons for doing it and so did many of our friends.

treyd 2 days ago

If I recall correctly, there was some recent research connecting the cholinergic system to SIDS, pointing at possible changes in practices to reduce the risk.