Comment by philsnow

Comment by philsnow 4 days ago

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I pine for a DSL for legal documents, both because it’s tedious and tiresome to parse prose like this:

> Except for persons who manufacture, process, produce, or initially transfer for sale or distribution self-luminous products containing tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147, and except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, any person is exempt from the requirements for a license set forth in section 81 of the Act and from the regulations in parts 20 and 30 through 36 and 39 of this chapter to the extent that such person receives, possesses, uses, transfers, owns, or acquires tritium, krypton-85, or promethium-147 in self-luminous products manufactured, processed, produced, or initially transferred in accordance with a specific license issued pursuant to § 32.22 of this chapter, which license authorizes the initial transfer of the product for use under this section.

... and also because it is ambiguous / error-prone / subject to interpretation, especially when figuring out antecedents of pronouns, referents, and textual boundaries.

I tried four times to read the above by paragraph without reformatting it with some parentheses etc, but failed.

PhilipRoman 4 days ago

One thing I would really like to see is the mathematical and/or notation with the tall single curly bracket (with nesting, when appropriate).

I've seen a bulleted list being used for both conjunctions and disjunctions within the same document and in both cases it was not obvious from context (it was related to conditions for receiving funding)

conartist6 3 days ago

I have designed CSTML with that exact set of usage and features in mind. It would be absolutely perfect for what you describe. I badly need investors though. Know any lawyers interested in investing in a product like you are describing?

  • philsnow 2 days ago

    I don't see anything like that on the github link in your profile, but I would be interested in taking a look if you have anything public?

    As to whether I know any lawyers interested in that kind of thing -- I think your thing would face the same kind of issue that others in this thread have identified: why would lawyers be interested in a product that, at the end of the day, helps them bill fewer hours? You could argue that some law firm could use it as their secret sauce like Whatsapp used Erlang or something like that, but I don't think that the legal space has many people interested in this kind of innovation.

    • conartist6 21 hours ago

      CSTML is just a serialization language so it doesn't have a repo. Like HTML its purpose is to embed invisible structure into a steam of visible text. BABLR is the main way we do this: producing the CSTML documents with a parser.

      To the extent the law can be parsed as English you could generate CSTML documents by parsing the text of laws (or even writing laws in CSTML) but I think the "secret weapon" scenario is more likely in the present -- that a firm would use CSTML to show them effectively encode their current understanding of the structure of the text of the written law.

philsnow 4 days ago

.... I think it means that you can make self-luminous products without needing a license, as long as you got them from somebody who does have a license.

  • pclmulqdq 3 days ago

    I think that's pretty much it but IANAL. Tritium vials are available for sale for use in self-luminous products. The vials themselves are pretty expensive for what they are, and they come with documentation about who initially created the vial (or how it was imported).

    I have a gun with a tritium-based night sight (so the sight dots glow with no light), and it came with documentation about the provenance of each of the three tritium vials.

    I also believe it is a crime to break open a sealed tritium vial.