Comment by layer8

Comment by layer8 6 days ago

> Solving a problem you already know exactly how to solve isn't interesting and isn't even intellectual exercise.

That isn't typically what my programming tasks at work consist of. A large part of the work is coming up with what exactly needs to be done, given the existing code and constraints imposed by technical and domain circumstances, and iterating over that. Meaning, this intellectual work isn't detached from the existing code, or from constraints imposed by the language, libraries and tooling. Hence an important part of the intellectual challenges are tied to actually developing and integrating the code yourself. Maybe you don't find those interesting, but they aren't problems one "already knows exactly how to solve". The solution, instead, is the result of a discovery and exploration process.

sanderjd 6 days ago

Yeah but this is exactly why using LLMs doesn't actually preclude problem solving. You still have to do all these things. You just don't have to physically type out as much code.

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layer8 6 days ago

To make a limping analogy, writing a novel actually requires the writing process. You can instruct an LLM to write prose, but the result won't be the same. I do a lot of thinking by coding, by looking up existing parts of the code base, library documentation and such, to decide how to best combine things, to determine what edge cases have to be solved and implementation decisions to be made. Once I know how things fit, I'm already halfway done. And it's usually more fun to do the rest myself than to instruct the LLM about all the details of the solution I have in mind. There are cases where using the LLM makes sense for truly tedious parts, of course, but it's not the majority of the work.

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- sanderjd 6 days ago
  
  Yeah I would agree with "it's not the majority of the work".
  This is what's making these discussions feel so contentious I think. People say "these are very useful tools!" and people push back on that. But then a lot of times it turns out that people pushing back just mean "they can't do the majority of my work!". Well yeah, but that wasn't the claim being made!
  But then I'm also sympathetic, because there is a huge amount of hype, there are lots of people claiming the these things can do everything.
  So it's just a jumble where the claims being made in either direction just aren't super clear.
  
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