Comment by n42

Comment by n42 7 days ago

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This is just so inspirational and cool. I’ve had so many of these concepts floating around in my head, without the critically necessary capability, or followthrough. I’m sure others have as well. It’s very cool to see someone execute on it.

I wonder about operating systems with isolated applications like this providing some kind of attestation.

Is it even possible to do that in a non-user hostile way?

The use case I daydream about is online competitive gaming. It’s a situation where a majority of users are willing to give up software freedom for a fair community. Consoles used to be a locked down way to guarantee other users were participating fairly, but this increasingly less the case as cheaters become more advanced. Solving this problem necessarily locks down access to software and hardware, as far as I can figure it. From a game theory perspective I can’t see any other approach. Enter “kernel level anticheat”; aka rootkits, depending on who you ask.

So I guess I wonder if virtualization at a level like this can somehow be a part of the solution while preserving software freedom, user privacy and security where the user still wants it

apitman 7 days ago

Don't want to derail from the interesting technical conversation, so feel free to ignore.

This is maybe more of a philosophical answer, but IMO the answer is to play games with people you trust. I've recently redicovered the joy of LAN parties (both Halo and AoE2) and man, it's so much better than the countless hours I spent getting pissed at faceless strangers in online games.

I wish there were more games designed for local multiplayer.

  • n42 7 days ago

    I think that's an interesting observation. It seems to be a philosophical discussion on social trust.

    Anticheat is an attempt to control the behavior of the community. Your solution is to just control who is in your community.

    In a way, I think it's the same lessons learned from social networks. You see it in the trends moving away from global communities back toward smaller online communities; private Discord servers, BlueSky follow/block lists, and so on.

    • apitman 6 days ago

      For sure. I wonder if it's a pendulum that will keep swinging, or if most things will go small and stay there.