Comment by Atreiden

Comment by Atreiden 8 days ago

So this is a huge problem, and one worth tackling, but I worry very much about the timing of this post in the context of the bill being brought before the Senate now.

We should not implement horrific legislation just because we agree with a single provision. Calling your representatives is the right path, but you MUST be explicit that you do not support the current bill being brought forth that addresses this.

Here are a few pieces for context, if you're not informed about what's in this bill: https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/5339440-the-big-beautifu... https://archive.is/No4o9

Please, I beseech my fellow Americans, do not vocalize any support for this bill. We'll correct the ills of the 2017 administration in time, but this is not the way to do that.

rbultje 7 days ago

> We'll correct the ills of the 2017 administration in time

How? We have - at times - had democrats in charge since 2017 and they did nothing to resolve this either. We appear to be waiting for flying pigs.

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conception 7 days ago

Except in 2024 when the house passed a bill that included repealing it.

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- rbultje 7 days ago
  
  It didn't become law (no 60 votes in senate), after Schumer sat on it for 6 (!) months. And there were earlier attempts to fix this, for example at the end of 2022 using budget/reconciliation - like what the Reps are doing here; but that was blocked by progressives because of "bad optics".
  
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Atreiden 7 days ago

The Democratic party needs internal reform, that much seems clear to me. But since then we've had just a single term of Biden, and his administrations focus was on COVID, Ukraine, and getting CHIPS+infra bills passed.
It takes time to undo damage codified into legislation. We're still dealing with the aftermath of Reagan. But we have to stop the bleeding and take Congress back, or the size of the hill we have to scale increases drastically.

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throwanem 7 days ago

So because this is something we can do now and we want to do something now, we do this?

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- rbultje 7 days ago
  
  The opposite of what you're saying is "perfection is the enemy of progress", so let's move past them. I'm asking for more than "this is not the way". What is the way? How will we do this? This is critical, and we've failed to do anything since early 2022. Democrats are clearly not at all interested. My (Dem) congressman responded directly to my enquiry with "fixing section174 just wouldn't be good optics". I agree republicans can't be taken very seriously either if OB3 is the highest of highs. But we all want this fixed. So: how?
  
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  throwanem 7 days ago
  
  Not in a way that makes us even easier to hate, for a start. You really want a big noisy political carveout in what is already being called the largest upward wealth transfer in history? You want to find out what it's like to be in a line of work that has the reputation for having to steal from the American people to survive? We have enough of that reputation already.
  If you want a better answer, tell me who our friends are in Congress this decade, and how much it matters. From what I see, the answers are "few" and "little." The Americans who don't blame us for giving Trump the country blame us for not giving him enough of a platform. The appearance of demanding favor on our part at such a moment seems unwise, but that moment does sufficiently explain why we find ourselves facing the aforementioned paucity of well-wishers.
  
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- vkou 7 days ago
  
  Supporting this is making a deal with the devil because he offered you two bottles of whiskey.
  Its penny-wise and pound-foolish.
  
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  throwanem 7 days ago
  
  I hadn't seen they were asking for a retroactive carveout! For eight years. A decade's worth of massive, post facto tax clawback? I don't know who thought this was a good idea, but they really must not love YC or Hacker News, to put those names on the public face of this...
  
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  Thorrez 7 days ago
  
  While the law with the tax change was passed in 2017, that specific change didn't go into effect until 2022. So it's 3 years of retroactive carveouts (2022, 2023, 2024).
  
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