Comment by jpmattia

Comment by jpmattia 9 hours ago

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> The title is... odd.

Not if you know the reputation of John Baez: Anyone familiar with him or his writings would know without hesitation that he understands black-body and E&M radiation, so his choice of title is clearly meant to be provocative.

It says to the reader "I wonder what he means?" To this reader, I'll also say that he delivered a terrific blog post.

nothrabannosir 8 hours ago

> It says to the reader "I wonder what he means?"

This has become affectionately known as “click bait”.

No disrespect to the pedigree of the clearly distinguished author.

  • jpmattia 7 hours ago

    Perhaps, but "Mathematical Physicists HATE when authors make THIS ONE ASSUMPTION!!1!" would be more click baity. I took it more as Baez writing for his physics audience.

    • nothrabannosir 6 hours ago

      Purely out of pedantic interest: is that a meaningful distinction, or is it just the same thing for a different audience? I'm reminded of chess youtubers who give similarly "click baity" titles to their videos which are only click bait to people who watch chess videos. Isn't it the same?

      All the power to them by the way. It's the crushing power of the algorithm. No hard feelings, just something I've been wondering.

      • jpmattia 5 hours ago

        Well, you got me thinking about "What exactly is clickbait?"

        So full disclosure: I've directly interacted with John Carlos Baez only in social media, with the topics as disparate as music and observational astronomy. My own QFT & GR background is grad course level but with little actual usage in my career. (I've done more solid-state + high-speed electronics work, with a bunch of programming as well.) With that background, and turning the pedantry dial up to 11:

        To me, one distinguishing element of clickbait is that the post is ultimately disappointing. The usual M.O. for clickbait is that the website needs eyeballs for advertising, so they beef up a headline of an uninteresting article with the expectation of getting extra monetization compared to an honest headline.

        I would venture a guess that he doesn't actually care about monetization, or really even extra clicks, with this post. The screenshot with the big red X through the popsci article sets the expectation pretty quickly, and the tone of the rest of the post is really a rant that mediocre science made it into PRL and then into the popular science literature. He explicitly calls out the popsci journalists for laziness, but in a clever (I'm pretty sure Mark Twain would approve of his name being taken in vain) and erudite (correct use of the subjunctive) way.

        Would I have clicked on the title without seeing the authorship johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com? Maybe but I doubt it. There is so much bad popsci physics out there that I'm pretty trained to ignore obviously inadequate headlines. So on a scale of 1-10, I'd rate the click-baityness of the headline no more than a 3. He got me to click, but only because I knew it was his post.

        As for others, the set of people who understand that Hawking radiation exists has nearly 100% overlap with those who know that black bodies and spinning magnets radiate, so for those folks who are in the set who are also unfamiliar with the author, perhaps it's more clickbaity.

        [edit: And I can't believe you got me to write that many words on the clickbait philosophy. Have I been baited? :) ]

    • thayne 5 hours ago

      > I took it more as Baez writing for his physics audience.

      I have a degree in Physics with an emphasis in Astronomy, and my thought on reading the title was "that's absurd". Even if you somehow infer that "radiate" specifically means "emit hawking radiation" which I don't know how you would without more context, "dead stars" generally is considered to include black holes, which do emit hawking radiation.

      • jpmattia 4 hours ago

        I wrote in the other reply:

        > As for others, the set of people who understand that Hawking radiation exists has nearly 100% overlap with those who know that black bodies and spinning magnets radiate, so for those folks who are in the set who are also unfamiliar with the author, perhaps it's more clickbaity.

        So according to my theory, you must in the set that understands Hawking radiation + black bodies + E&M, but not in the set familiar with Baez.

        I worked hard on my theory, please don't let me down and be a counterexample. :)