Comment by baxtr

Comment by baxtr a day ago

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I am not sure if I agree.

I feel like social media trough its amplification has lead to a global sync in topics and experiences.

I’d argue a kid growing up India or China shares much more culturally today with a western Kid than 30 years ago.

Take the news for example. Last weeks it was tariffs. The entire world was talking about the same thing.

To the contrary I feel like we are living more and more in the same global reality going from one headline to the next every week.

nonchalantsui a day ago

I heavily disagree with this one. On first glance what you say feels true, but there are so many mega popular people now that you will never know of despite even being from the same country. People with dozens of millions of fans, selling out arenas doing multinational tours and you won’t know them at all.

But everyone knows Britney Spears, even if you were never in her target demographic. This sort of global fame now requires so much more to reach because of how many are really locked into hyper personalized online experiences. I used to be able to reference the latest big movie or show and people would know, now that’s mostly turned into an explanation that the movie or show even came out and exists.

  • CityOfThrowaway 18 hours ago

    I mean... Taylor swift is literally the biggest musician in history... right now...

    There's still enormously mainstream culture. Even more enormous in the fat tail than before.

    There's just also a shocking depth in the mid tail now too.

    The problem with movies is that Hollywood killed itself and tech helped. Movies and TV just suck now, for the most part.

    Music, fashion, and visual culture are still alive and well.

    • riffraff 15 hours ago

      I think Taylor Swift is actually a perfect example, it's quite common to hear people say "I don't know any song by her beyond shake it off".

      I challenge anyone from the '80s not to know of a few songs by Madonna or Michael Jackson.

      Taylor is huge with some fans and completely unknown to her not-fans and there seem to be a steel transition between the two states.

      • yunwal 3 hours ago

        > I don't know any song by her beyond shake it off

        This is unheard of for children to say this. If you mean adults, there were plenty of adults in the 80s that didn’t know Madonna songs, and even Michael Jackson

    • voidspark 17 hours ago

      Michael Jackson was the biggest in history. Global megastar before the internet. Taylor Swift has a lot of sales but in terms of global significance and cultural impact there is no comparison. Not in the same league.

      Taylor Swift has relatively niche popularity in India.

      Chinese are blocked from accessing any western social media, and no access to YouTube, Netflix, Spotify, etc. Taylor Swift is popular there but the Chinese have their own version of the internet separate from ours.

      • rchaud 8 hours ago

        > Global megastar before the internet.

        Not just the Internet. Before cable and satellite TV, even. Similar to Muhammad Ali in that sense - a globally renowned icon, regardless of cultural or languge barriers. In the west, there is the idea of a rivalry between Michael Jackson and Prince, but globally, there was only one King of Pop.

        Taylor Swift has mind-boggling levels of fandom in the Anglosphere (even if it is largely limited to women), but her music is pretty straightforward, there are other artists like her who would be considered interchangeable with her given enough publicity. But the full package of Michael Jackson was groundbreaking and inimitable: the musical production, the dance moves, the songwriting and the music videos.

0xDEAFBEAD 21 hours ago

I think you're both right. Relative to the past, any given locale is more culturally fragmented, but the globe is simultaneously more culturally unified. We've hit a weird midpoint: You might have more cultural common ground with someone on the other side of the globe who follows the same people on social media, than with your next-door neighbor.

Consider this thought experiment. Imagine you're going to get coffee with either a random person in your neighborhood, or a random HN user. Which conversation will have more shared topics of interest?

This is the "global village" which was prophesied in the 1960s. It won't go away until interstellar colonization creates communication delays and a new era of cultural fragmentation.

schneems a day ago

> The entire world was talking about the same thing.

What you’re describing is an echo chamber. Which is what most sites optimize to produce (when optimizing for engagement and). I switch between bsky where it frequently feels that way “everyone is talking about Y” and mastodon where the chronological timeline makes it clear that a lot of people might be talking about it, but they’re also talking about other things.

I feel that one of the most broken things about our current reality (with so many social sites) is that it feels so singular and shared, but turns out that’s not the case at all. My partner and I have started to use the phrase “my internet” to refer to the general vibe we are taking in as in “is your internet talking about scandal Z?” I’m frequently surprised stuff that totally flys under their radar (and vice versa).

  • Llamamoe 17 hours ago

    I think you're conflating the idea of "shared culture" with "isolation from other social groups". We used to have more friends at the same time as we had more shared context thanks to media distribution patterns.

smackeyacky a day ago

Not just headlines being shared, but culture is still being shared.

Sure the shared cultural experience of being limited to a handful of TV channels is gone, but it's been replaced by a handful of streaming services. The world has shared the Marvel Cinematic Universe and 800lb sisters and Taylor Swift.

  • anton-c 9 hours ago

    Seeing Taylor swift mentioned is weird to me cuz nobody I know listens to her. We had like, 10 international popstars thru my youth with the Disney ones too(not that anyone listened to those that I knew).

    When I was young you couldn't NOT know the song "semi-charmed life" by third eye blind, or 50 other songs. Nowadays idk if that's the case. Then again, I'm not sure how much would be lost if my whole middle school didn't know the song "shake that Laffy taffy".

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  • BlueTemplar a day ago

    > 800lb sisters

    First time I hear of these. I now wish I had not looked them up (I did not think it would be so literal).

    (I also now realise that I cannot even remember how Taylor Swift sounds like, despite hearing about her quite frequently...)

rsynnott 8 hours ago

> Take the news for example. Last weeks it was tariffs. The entire world was talking about the same thing.

... I mean, that's because it's a global economic crisis. In the early 70s, the entire world was talking about the oil crisis, another induced economic shock. Late noughties? The Great Financial Crisis. That sort of thing is _always_ going to be news everywhere.

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kranke155 a day ago

Nope you’re wrong. Actually media has become hyperlocal.

The whole world was talking about tariffs? Nope. They were talking whatever they saw on their personalised feed.