Comment by xp84

Post on the /r/tnvisa sub on Reddit please, make the process transparent and most importantly VISIBLE so we Canadians dont have to pay a lawyer, this is a community process thanks.

I agree with you about the dishonesty of saying yes (as I replied in another comment).

That said this is a choice you're making from what sounds like more religious reasons. Your company and your choice but it's not hard to employ TNs in a startup (and I know because I had TN status with two startups so I'm a little ahead of "brief reading of reddit posts").

TN status can also be applied for in advance by the way, doesn't have to be at the border. This wasn't an option when I had TN status but now it is.

Well, if you read through your link, you'll understand what parent comment is talking about.

> Requirements for Canadian Citizens

> A visa is not required for a Canadian citizen entering the United States as a USMCA Professional, although a visa can be issued to a qualified Canadian TN visa applicant upon application at a U.S. embassy or consulate.

> A Canadian citizen can apply for TN nonimmigrant status at a U.S. port-of-entry. Learn about these requirements on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) websites. More information about receiving TN status without applying for a visa is also available on the U.S. Embassy Ottawa website.

A TN visa is a visa, but what someone is “on” is a status, not a visa. Visas are only relevant to the moment of entry. You need a visa of type X to ask to enter with status X.

The exception to that is Canadians like OP, they don’t need most visa types (the E investor/trader visa is the exception—but TN, H1B, etc., don’t need).

I edited my reply because it is sometimes referred to as both. But hey, can't rob you of the joy of correcting someone on the Internet.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary...

"If you are a Canadian citizen, then you are not required to apply for a TN visa at a U.S. consulate.

You may establish eligibility for TN classification at the time you seek admission to the United States by presenting required documentation to a U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer at certain CBP-designated U.S. ports of entry or at a designated pre-clearance/pre-flight inspection station. You must provide the following documentation to the CBP officer:"

"You may be eligible for TN nonimmigrant status, if:

    You are a citizen of Canada or Mexico;
    Your profession qualifies under the regulations;
    The position in the United States requires a NAFTA professional;
    You have a prearranged full-time or part-time job with a U.S. employer (but not self-employment - see documentation required below); and
    You have the qualifications to practice in the profession in question."

The main point is this has none of the process usually related to "visas" and even if that term is sometimes used along with "TN status" it's its own special thing. Canadians don't need a Visa to visit the US and I am not a lawyer. Mexicans might be in a slightly different situation. Either way, the proper legal answer has no influence whatsoever on the points being made.

You guys are talking about two similar and related but different things.

TN is both a "nonimmigrant classification" and a visa. The TN nonimmigrant classification is what is what grants a Canadian citizen eligibility to enter into the U.S. without a visa. A TN visa also grants a Canadian citizen entry into the U.S., and is required for TN nonimmigrants to enter with family members. In a nutshell, you establish your TN classification at your port of entry with (a) proof of Canadian citizenship, (b) letter from employer or prospective employer, and (c) any required credential and fees. You can acquire a TN visa the same way, or (recommended) at a U.S. consulate or embassy prior to your trip, and the primary difference is that the TN visa takes a little more time and paperwork.

Prior to this administration, TN status was a simple and short process; we had dozens of Canadian employees visiting the U.S. every week. However, the current administration does not believe in following established laws, so our legal counsel has been advising us to apply for TN visas for Canadian employees visiting the U.S prior to their trips to avoid any surprises at the border.

Note: Mexican citizens don't get TN nonimmigrant classification status. They must apply for the TN visa at a U.S. consulate or embassy in Mexico prior to their departure for the U.S. They must then apply for admission (aka, a visa) into the U.S. again when they actually arrive (basically, they need a TN visa to get a visa. It is as ridiculous as it sounds.)

EEOC is based on national origin not nationality.

I could see that, but given that jobs are all at-will it's hard to argue the employer would have any damages for a contract that can be terminated with literally zero notice.

I personally wouldn't have a lot of faith in the abilities and judgement of someone who doesn't leverage an unfair system to their advantage despite there being basically no downsides to doing so unless im hiring a middle manager to sort through excessive bureaucratic bloat.

> If you don't have an appropriate work visa, permanent residency or citizenship

Well, TN is none of those, and here I am authorized to work legally. If I apply for another job elsewhere, the honest answer to this question is yes, despite the fact that I will be required to get a new TN.