Comment by safety1st

Comment by safety1st 14 hours ago

9 replies

RSS came of age in a very different time, when the world of computing was more, for lack of a better term, workstation-centric. People wanted RSS clients that were similar to email clients, or maybe even integrated directly into the email client, and they had this idea that they should 'catch up' on everything that was published since their last session, almost like it was a job.

Nowadays people have an implicit understanding that the net is vast and infinite, it's beyond the ability of one man to fully catch up, and you're just tuning into a slice of the data stream.

RSS clients never really departed from their roots of showing reverse chronological lists of all the posts, but this UI loses usefulness when the data stream gets too big. Commercial social media saw an opportunity and decided to make the algorithm that arranges the feed totally opaque - with that achieved, they proceeded to auction off each spot in it and get rich. Even worse than the reverse chronological firehose.

What we lack is a presentation that is actually good! I don't have the answer. One thing I want to experiment with, though, is digests. I use a straight reverse chronological UI that aggregates all my items in all my feeds. One thing I noticed is that this ends up wildly biased toward feeds that have lots of posts, like news aggregator websites, or Reddit. Anyone who's foolish enough to work hard and produce wonderful long form content with less frequency, gets lost in the firehose, which may tell us a lot about how the collapse-in-progress of our civilization got started. I have no idea how to solve this and do better than the UIs and algorithms that rule the world today. I do have it on my todo list to try a digest style UI - like perhaps each website gets one entry per day in my feed, and if they made multiple posts on that day, those are represented as multiple small title links in a compact format. Whereas a less frequent poster might even get an excerpt along with their title or something.

frosted-flakes 13 hours ago

In my opinion the answer is curation. If you're getting so many magazines and newspapers in the post that you can't read them all, the answer isn't to hire someone to cut out random pages for you to read (oh, why are they all adverts?), the answer is to stop subscribing to so many publications.

I never fail to read all of my social media feeds and email messages, because I actively cancel subscriptions to stuff that I don't have time to read. After all, it's entertainment/casual education, not mandatory learning.

  • ghaff 12 hours ago

    Most people never read most of the magazines and newspapers they got cover to cover. I certainly read a fairly small percentage of the New York Times.

  • quantadev 4 hours ago

    Hire someone? What about just using a system that crowd-sources it. That's what "Thumbs Up" icons can do, if you can get people to use them.

rambambram 11 hours ago

I did something like this with my reader:

- Only subscribed to lots of niche news and small websites (most of my list has the category 'dev blog' attached to it, so that's all of you guys/girls with a blog).

- Only get posts when I click, basically no automatic hoarding in the background (except for my Newspaper functionality, which does a little bit of background request for important feeds that I manually selected).

- Just pick the last post from a randomly selected feed. This really gets me going from reading about Linux, to reading about the best way to bake a cake, to reading about interior design, to reading about bikepacking... all in one sit.

- Or only pick from randomly selected feeds with a certain category, when I'm in the mood for a specific kind of news. For example, I want to know new videos on selected Youtube channels, or i only want to see posts with a picture attached (I call it 'photo feeds').

vaylian 13 hours ago

> firehose

This is what the modern information space feels like in one word. It's impossible to read everything. But at the same time, it's not necessary to read everything.

> What we lack is a presentation that is actually good! I don't have the answer. One thing I want to experiment with, though, is digests.

Do you have a RSS feed that I can subscribe to so that I get notified when you publish your experiment?

  • safety1st 11 hours ago

    I've never actually published any of the code I use to view my RSS feeds. This question comes up from time to time when I discuss the subject though! Maybe I will one of these days.

ghaff 12 hours ago

Someone I know once described Twitter as being a river that you dipped into when you had the time and the interest. I think RSS was similar but, as you say, the clients had a somewhat different model. You could get around by having a priority category or something like that.

quantadev 4 hours ago

Good stuff getting "lost in the firehose" is a big concern. If there were a 'not easily game-able' way to have people upvote great content in a way that votes could be tallied that would help, but I'd much prefer, dare I say it...a "decentralized" protocol for that if possible. Maybe Nostr based where stuff is crypto signed with your key, and you choose who to trust maybe even. Not sure how much of this "follow.it" is doing, if any of it, because I haven't dug into it yet, but I'm optimistic we can revive RSS in a big way. It's too good of an idea to let BigTech and BigMedia kill it off simply by ignoring it. Big companies and AD agencies of course hate RSS because it puts users in charge if what they read rather than having to wade thru tons of AD views to get to content.