almostnormal a day ago

> Meanwhile jet fuel for private jets is (and remains) not taxed at all, even in the EU.

Not correct. Fuel for private aviation is taxed, including jet fuel and avgas. However, there are very few "private" jets, most are operated by some company, and therefore not private. Jet-A1 for a truely privately operated C172 with a diesel engine is taxed.

cogman10 a day ago

Which is bonkers. If ever there was a thing that should be taxed it's jet fuel for private jets. 300% tax on private jet fuel would be reasonable.

The emissions just to shuttle rich people from one side of the country to the next (For some, multiple times per day) is insane. You should need to be a billionaire just to afford flying private jets and it should still eat a significant portion of your income if that's what you choose to do.

And for what? Like, we live in the modern era, why does anyone need to travel from NY to Florida to Texas to California in a day?

  • Gibbon1 a day ago

    I have a suspicion the reason why super wealthy people like say Musk but he isn't the only one hate subways and high speed rail is because they fly everywhere. You might like if you could get on the subway in Glen Park and be at lands end in half an hour. You might like getting on a high speed rail and being in LA in 4 hours.

    These guy will never ride a subway or take a train anywhere.

    • renewiltord 16 hours ago

      LOL on an e-bike I can beat BART to SFO from Glen Park unless you time both to start at just the moment BART arrives instead of at a random moment. If you want a Glen Park to Lands End to take under 30 minutes, the cost would rival the Iraq War.

      • cogman10 9 hours ago

        Looks like the trains are running every 30 minutes.

        A super easy solution that doesn't cost the iraq war is adding new trains and running them every 15 minutes.

        You'd have to deal with lower occupancy trains as a result, which means it's not as cost efficient.

    • lenkite a day ago

      Many politicians campaigning for green energy (aka AOC) also fly on private jets everywhere so that they can fight the oligarchy - this behavior isn't restricted to wealthy businessmen alone.

      • drilbo 20 hours ago

        Maybe you shouldn't base your assumptions of the world on politically charged clickbait headlines... Did her and Bernie use a private jet? Quite possibly. Does that mean they fly "everywhere" on private jets? Certifiably false.

      • cogman10 a day ago

        Depressingly, I think that's why a law to stop this behavior won't pass in the US. Wealthy and powerful people love their private flights.

        Doesn't mean that anyone engaging in this behavior should get a pass nor that we shouldn't keep advocating for such a tax.

    • gonzoflip a day ago

      I'm no Musk fanboy, but it is funny you mention him not liking subways or high speed rail because didn't he try to build a subterranean high speed rail?

michpoch a day ago

What makes a jet private? Should Trump's Boegin 757 count as one? What if an airline is flying a jet with no passengers? Cargo jets?

  • foobarchu a day ago

    The same thing that differentiate a private car from public transportation or freight, I would think. This distinction isn't a particularly novel problem.

    • michpoch a day ago

      We don't differentiate these in any significant way. Do buses in your country pay different rate for fuel?

      There are vans carrying 6 people on international routes in Europe, is this public transport? Private? Anyone can book it.