Comment by senderista

Comment by senderista 20 hours ago

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"If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I would have the guts to betray my country."

--EM Forster, "What I Believe"

lo_zamoyski 19 hours ago

The problem here is that Forster is relativising the good.

I am not betraying my country by refusing to follow laws or decrees that require that I engage in intrinsically evil deeds. I am not loyal to my friend if I do evil things he asks me to do.

Our loyalty is to the objective good of our country and our friend. Otherwise, there is no such thing as loyalty.

  • int_19h 17 hours ago

    There are situations when you genuinely must betray your country to protect your friend, or vice versa.

    For example, if your country is a multiethnic empire that is unsustainable as a single entity without compulsion and forced assimilation, and your friend happens to be an ethnic minority in it.

musicale 6 hours ago

"I must admit that when my friend first told me of his plan I was sorely tempted drop off an anonymous tip recommending that the Archduke postpone his trip to Sarajevo..."