Comment by mistrial9
Comment by mistrial9 8 months ago
Does this mean that engineering a virus at a multi-government lab and then it escapes, causing draconian lockdown and forced medications across the world, might really happen now ?
Comment by mistrial9 8 months ago
Does this mean that engineering a virus at a multi-government lab and then it escapes, causing draconian lockdown and forced medications across the world, might really happen now ?
While I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, it's sad that we didn't learn doing boring, human researcher GoF research is bad. Now we are going to do AI assisted GoF research.
They only really claimed to believe in the conspiracy theory of lab leak, which many do and isn’t at all outrageous imo.
But to your point, I 100% agree. Even if Covid was zoonotic, it absolutely could have been a human fuckup. The amount of lab leaks over the years, including things like Anthrax, Polio, SARS and even Covid (yes, in Taiwan after the initial outbreak) from BSL3 and 4, are just waaay to common.
After a plane crash, there are almost always changes to protocol, equipment or even the aircraft. Here, we had millions of casualties globally, and this risk is as real now as yesterday. I get that we have pandemic fatigue, and nobody wants to think about it. But if keep playing with fire, it will happen again, sooner or later.
That GoF research saves us time by figuring out the most probable routes or ways a virus could mutate to something worse.
> multi-government lab
What are you talking about? The Wuhan Institute of Virology is firmly located on sovereign Chinese territory. In fact, the main reason why any serious scientist should still give the lab leak theory the time of day is due to the fact that China was so cagey with what was going on at the WIV. If this lab was multi-governmental we would have the data China withheld and the lab leak theory wouldn't have any shadow to lie in.
Furthermore, the real problem with the lab leak theory is that it does not matter whether or not it is true. If COVID-19 originated from animal sources, then we should regulate wet markets, crack down on the endangered animal trade, and stop doing gain-of-function research. If COVID-19 originated from a lab, then we should stop doing gain-of-function research, regulate wet markets, and crack down on the endangered animal trade. All of those things are very prudent things to do if you want to slow down the introduction of novel pathogens.
Other than politics why would you believe any other scenario to be more likely than the lab leak hypothesis at this point? It’s far too much of a coincidence that patient zero was in such close proximity to the WIV that studies and researches viruses exactly like COVID-19. The actions of the CCP and those aligned with their interests just further cements the likelihood of this hypothesis.
Because the closest relative of the sars-cov-2 virus is found in animals in Thailand, and just before the pandemic, exotic animals from Thailand were imported directly to the Wuhan wet market, which was a regional hub for importing animals. The WIV lab did not have a copy of that virus. The original sars-cov-1 virus emerged at an animal farm upriver from Hong Kong. The MERS virus emerged at a camel farm. Seeing a pattern yet?
> The WIV lab did not have a copy of that virus.
According to the CCP, whose version of the events cannot be trusted. The reality is that they had the time, means, and motivation to destroy any samples and records related to COVID.
Also speaking of patterns, the WIV has a history of safety lapses and was known to be working with SARS family viruses in BSL-2 labs, which are wholly inadequate.
According to the Thai virus researchers who did not even discover the related virus for the first time until the year AFTER tbe pandemic started. So no, unless someone has a time machine the WIV did not have a sample in 2019. The consensus of the international virus research community is that the WIV did NOT have a sample of the covid-precursor virus.
Animals infected with the Thai virus were imported from Thailand to the Wuhan wet market. People on the north side of the river within 100 meters of the wet market got sick. People on the south side of the river within 15km of the WIV did not get sick. We are not relying on the CCP for the information that people on the south side of the river did not get sick. There were foreign citizens living south of the river and we got our information from them.
The evidence favors spread from market:
Here is a review paper of all the evidence so far:
https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annur...
Not true, there is significant evidence that actually favors the lab leak hypothesis…
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2025/03/28/covid-1...
Additionally the Biden administration and other world governments suppressed the lab leak hypothesis which means that researchers seeking government funding had an incentive to support the official wet market narrative instead…
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5058339-biden-adminis...
Don't need to hitch your little weird obsession to any passing car mate.