Comment by madphilosopher

Comment by madphilosopher 3 months ago

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Vulnerabilities like this lead to car thefts. Some models of cars are more susceptible than others, and the manufacturers seem unwilling to fix the problem. The insurance companies know which models are more trouble for them, and so they set higher rates for these, which punishes the driver/owner for something outside of their control.

My solution? Require the manufacturers of vulnerable models to pay the insurance on behalf of the driver/owner as long as the vulnerabilities go unfixed.

emeril 3 months ago

part of what helps is, at least, before buying a car, to get insurance quotes and then you see the true cost of THAT car

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  • pinko 3 months ago

    Consumer Reports will also inform you of things like this in advance, if you look. (For this and 100 other reasons, It's worth paying for a digital sub.)

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    • potato3732842 3 months ago

      Consumer Reports reporting is bought and paid for by the OEMs. They'll make a big issue out of nothing or minimize real issues depending on where the money is coming from. This goes back at least as far as the Samurai rollover scandal.

      Pretty much all industry journalism where the journalists depend on being in the good graces of the manufacturers to get the access they need to make their content is like this.

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      • dripton 3 months ago

        Consumer Reports buys all the items they review, anonymously.

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      • pinko 3 months ago

        This is quite literally the opposite of true. Consumer Reports remains the shining exception to this practice, unlike Wirecutter, etc.

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ActorNightly 3 months ago

My friends Truck was stolen by some people with a tow truck. Key access doesn't really matter in the long run.

If you want to prevent theft, you have to make stealing "expensive" enough for people not to bother with it.

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  • brewdad 3 months ago

    Which is harder for the average thief to acquire, a bluetooth "kit" off a shady website or a friggin' tow truck?

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    • ActorNightly 3 months ago

      There are phone thieves in San Francisco/Oakland literally driving Audis and BMWs. Trucks bring in a lot of value. A tow truck is also inconspicuous looking, people can think its a repo truck or towing someone parked illegally.

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      • potato3732842 3 months ago

        A (new enough) tow truck screams "I have an ongoing business relationship with people who have badges, guns and letters of marque that give them permission to ruin and/or end your life at their discretion" which is really why none of the people who would perhaps bother a common thief or stick their nose in anything out of the ordinary will get near a tow truck.

        You could roll up to a parking lot with active security and snatch something with a tow truck and they won't bother you most of the time whereas if you rolled up to engage in swapping a battery or some other legitimate repair they'd probably at least come over and ask what you're up to.

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Mister_Snuggles 3 months ago

Do people not look at the operating costs before buying a vehicle? Do they really just negotiate a monthly payment and get surprised at the amount they have to pay for fuel/maintenance/insurance?

When I bought my most recent car I had a spreadsheet which projected fuel (whether that's gas, electricity, or gas+electricity) and maintenance costs (there was some ball-parking here) for a dozen different models based on our driving habits. Once the list was narrowed down a bit I did some online quotes at my insurance company to add that in.

There were no financial surprises when I bought the car.

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  • lsy 3 months ago

    This is unnecessarily self-congratulating. The problem is that vulnerabilities are found in cars after they are on the market for a while and already purchased, so existing owners get their rates hiked, but the manufacturer never fixes the issue. No amount of research is going to guarantee your operating cost next year.

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  • vel0city 3 months ago

    > When I bought my most recent car I had a spreadsheet

    Yeah so already different from like 90% of car buyers out there.

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