Comment by pydry

Comment by pydry 17 hours ago

I haven't seen much of a bias towards seeking out a predisposition to loyalty in employees except among authoritarian small business owner types who invariably underpay.

I don't think offering perks is necessarily supposed to engender loyalty. It's still a transactional relationship ("ok, google might pay less than the startup but I do get free lunches at google...").

In most companies I have more often seen not even a shred of expectation of loyalty. It's pretty normal to see critical employees quit at an inconvenient time on a critical project and the only person who expresses any bad feelings is the employee in question feeling a bit guilty.

mancerayder 14 hours ago

>I haven't seen much of a bias towards seeking out a predisposition to loyalty in employees except among authoritarian small business owner types who invariably underpay.

It's easy. Some red flags:

"This is not a 9 to 5 job, you should know that. But that's normal in this industry"

"We're looking for people who are passionate about their work"

"I won't sugarcoat it, there are good and bad weeks" in terms of workload and hours

"We see a gap in your resume here a decade ago - may I ask why you took time off during this time"

etc

Those are signals.

There's a normalization of sociopathy in the hiring process. That's how we filter. Or maybe it's just financial services?

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pydry 13 hours ago

Yours are signals that a company is selecting for people who will consent to being overworked. That's not about loyalty.
Loyalty would be "we're looking for candidates who have long job tenures. do not apply if you never stayed at a job longer than 3 years".

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- mancerayder 4 hours ago
  
  That can be a red flag for me, as a hiring manager (not withstanding what you're replying to that I wrote). But I don't see it as loyalty, I see it as, shit, will this person quit after two years, I need long term types. It takes a while to learn the infrastructure and people get ever more skilled and useful. However, if they're new to their careers, you kind of need to skip town every two years because, at least in financial services, they only pay if you quit, that's how they value your worth. Consider: new hires are ALWAYS better paid than people who stay year after year.
  
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