Comment by andybak

Comment by andybak 21 hours ago

> Some people love programming

> Other people see all that as an means to an end

I think it's worth pointing out that most people are both these things at different times.

There's things I care about and want a deep understanding of but there's plenty of tasks I want to just "go away". If I had an junior coder - I'd be delegating these. Instead I use AI when I can.

There's also tasks where I want a jump start. I prefer fixing/improving code over writing from scratch so often a bad AI attempt is still valuable to me.

celsius1414 13 hours ago

You likely don’t have a say in the matter, but you should have a junior developer. That’s where senior developers come from.

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scarface_74 11 hours ago

Why should I have a junior developer who is going to do negative work instead of poaching a mid developer who is probably underpaid since salary compression and inversion are real?
As a manager, say I do hire a junior developer, invest time into them and they level up. I go to the HR department and tell them that they deserve a 30% raise to bring them inline with the other mid level developers.
The HR department is going to say that’s out of policy and then the developer jumps ship.

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- abenga 11 hours ago
  
  > Why should I have a junior developer who is going to do negative work instead of poaching a mid developer who is probably underpaid since salary compression and inversion are real?
  The tragedy of the commons in a nutshell. Maybe everyone should invest in junior developers so that everyone has mid-level developers to poach later?
  
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  godelski 10 hours ago
  
  Not only that but teaching is a fantastic way to learn. Its easy to miss the learning though because you get the most when you care. If you care you take time to think and you're forced to contend with things you've taken for granted. You're forced to revisit the things you've tabled because you didn't have the time or expertise to deal with it at the time.
  There's no doubt about it, there's selfish reasons to teach, mentor, and have a junior under you. We're social creatures. It should be no surprise that what's good for the group is usually good for yourself too. It's kinda as if we were evolutionarily designed to be this way or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  Everyone says they don't have time, but you get a lot of time by doing things right instead of doing things twice. And honestly, we're doing it a lot more than twice.
  I just don't understand why we're so ready and willing to toss away a skill that allowed us to become the most successful creature on the planet: forethought. It's not just in coding but we're doing it everywhere. Maybe we're just overloaded but you need forethought to fix that, not progressively going fast for the sake of going fast
  
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- Hasu 5 hours ago
  
  > The HR department is going to say that’s out of policy and then the developer jumps ship.
  If you work for a company like this, you should jump ship.
  
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  scarface_74 5 hours ago
  
  Most companies are like this. Even my n=1 experience at BigTech is that it is well known that you get more coming in at a certain level than you do when you get promoted to that level and it’s best to “boomerang”.
  On an unrelated note: it’s also easier to get “promoted” to the next level by changing jobs and then coming back than it is to go through the internal promo process at the same BigTech company.
  
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