Comment by pclmulqdq

Comment by pclmulqdq 8 days ago

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The right's problem with universities is the same as the left's problem with churches:

1. They are institutions of "indoctrination" by the other side. Faculty are something like 98% registered democrats and many subjects ("X studies") have an explicitly left-leaning bent.

2. They have tax advantages and other significant government subsidies.

3. They exercise significant amounts of ideological control over the narrative for their groups of people.

4. They are exclusionary of people outside the club.

Add to that the fact that universities are getting increasingly expensive and real life outcomes for college-educated people are getting worse. The perceived costs used to come with significant benefits, but the costs are getting higher and the benefits are reducing, so there is less tolerance for giving them favored status.

nitwit005 8 days ago

Left leaning, but authoritarian, governments have also cracked down on universities. The issue isn't the political lean.

People with a more authoritarian bent view dissent itself as objectionable. That's central to their whole worldview. Any institution or social organization that allows debate or questioning things is a problem for them.

squigz 8 days ago

Maybe I just live in a bubble, but I don't think "the left" has acted as strongly against churches as "the right" has against schools.

  • pclmulqdq 8 days ago

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    • ceejayoz 8 days ago

      > Universities today, though, have a status that religious organizations have never reached. Not only being tax free but also heavily taxpayer-funded, and with a university credential being virtually required for most jobs.

      It's almost like they produce something of actual value.

    • squigz 8 days ago

      This is a conversation about American politics, so I don't think how other countries acted is relevant.

      The political landscape also changes regularly - I don't think the Republicans of a few decades ago were attacking schools so vigorously, so I'm not sure going further back than that for examples is relevant either.

      > efforts of left-wing people in the 60's-90's to reduce their influence on society.

      Can you elaborate on this?

      > Universities today, though, have a status that religious organizations have never reached. Not only being tax free but also heavily taxpayer-funded, and with a university credential being virtually required for most jobs.

      I suspect that if you go back not even that long ago, you'd find religious institutions having nearly as much importance, particularly in how faiths would prevent others from joining the workforce or society itself. In any case, I wonder what % of jobs actually do require a university education these days. I would not expect a majority of them to, but maybe I'm wrong.

      • pclmulqdq 8 days ago

        In terms of use of hard power against religion: Mandatory prayer in school was outlawed in 1962. Teaching creationism in public schools was banned in 1987. Teaching the Bible (and other religious texts) in public schools is mostly banned. Title VII of the civil rights act prevented employers and many other institutions from discriminating based on religion in 1964. These were all passed by the left.

        In terms of soft power: Huge cultural movements (driven by left-leaning people) against church attendance and in favor of atheism really began in the 1960-1990 period. The hippie movement and all things associated with it, as well as the new age movement are big parts of this.

        In general, I think you underestimate how much power religion had in 1950's America. It was constantly pushed on young people, and if you wanted to get a good job, you had to have "strong moral character" that was demonstrated by where you went on Sundays.