Comment by robertlagrant

Comment by robertlagrant 8 days ago

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> One ban consists of the exercise of their right to... Not associate with you.

Many people have been fired / expelled / and many more silenced by those examples. If you can't tell the truth about your side (from how you're writing I assume you think in sides) then there's no point saying it.

> The other sends you to a Salvadoran gulag. (The silence from all the 'free speech' folks on this point is deafening.)

I haven't heard about this. Who has been sent to a Salvadoran gulag for speech?

cess11 8 days ago

There's been a lot in usian news about people having been deported because of things like tattoo of the logo of some spanish or other soccer club.

Here's one case where the deportation seems to be based mainly on having worn sports branded merch and a hoodie, and some supposed anonymous snitch, which the state has agreed was an error:

https://www.newsweek.com/kilmar-armando-abrego-garcia-deport...

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  • theultdev 8 days ago

    they agreed it was an error, to send him to that particular prison, not out of the country in general.

    he is an illegal and his deportation defense in 2019 was he feared for his life from a "rival gang" indicating he was in the MS-13 gang that the feds and judge found him to be part of.

    he's not just some "father", as the left leaning news likes to portray. he participated in human trafficking and himself admitted he was a gang member.

    it seemed that the left did not care about vetting when gang members were coming into the country.

    ...but now they're being deported, it seems vetting is crucial (which is being done, but you're not always privy to (or aware of) the information)

    and "anonymous snitch" is quite derogatory. you do know how evil MS-13 is right? listen to yourself.

    they chop people up without blinking an eye. the fact someone risked their life to "snitch" saved so many people. this isn't playground shit.

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    • sjsdaiuasgdia 8 days ago

      He's not illegal, he had protected status.

      What precisely changed between the granting of that protected status and his arrest that warranted the change of status?

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    • cess11 8 days ago

      It's borderline insane to call Newsweek "left leaning".

      'His attorneys claimed, and ICE later confirmed, that the only verification came from a form filled out by the Prince George County Police Department, which based his membership on the fact that "he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie; and that a confidential informant advised that he was an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique" – a group based out of Long Island, New York.'

      The state has confirmed to the press that it doesn't have any evidence of the claims you're making.

      MS-13 is less evil than the Biden and current Trump administrations, who are guilty of genocide. I think you're part of an attempt to distract from that and other crimes, as well as the ongoing turmoil in the financial system.

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aswanson 8 days ago

Is wearing an "autism awareness " tattoo considered speech?

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immibis 8 days ago

I agree that at-will employment is a problem. So is a lack of safety nets. Do you know who supports at-will employment and a lack of safety nets?

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vkou 8 days ago

If the past decade is any indication, nothing has stopped the long list of cancelled right wing grifters, racists, and various other flavors of fools and bigots from finding gainful employment and signal boosting and platforming among like-minded people who do exercise their right to associate with them, despite their behavior.

For (allegedly) being so persecuted and silenced, it's weird how so many of them have so much more power, reach, and wealth than ever before.

Perhaps getting booed at in the last college campus they held a rally at is not quite the yellow star, or the mark of Cain that they convinced you it is.

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  • Edman274 8 days ago

    If the argument is that it's not a big deal because it doesn't even work, then why collectively are we even bothering? Either it works and is something for reactionaries to fear and is effective social pressure, or it's a bunch of ineffective sound and fury that gives cover to your right wing aunt to tell stories about how "someone she knows" got fired for telling a joke. If it works, then let's own it completely, with all its flaws. If it doesn't work, then why bother at all? If it doesn't even work, then why try to defend the practice? Do we want it to work? Do we want it to be an effective form of social control?

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  • pclmulqdq 8 days ago

    In the past decade, the left got so cancel-happy that "cancellation" by the left-wing activist crowd lost pretty much all of its weight among anyone who isn't an ideologue. In 2016-2018, if you got canceled, you would have a very hard time finding any white-collar job afterward.

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