alvah 2 days ago

If you've spent any time in business at all, you know it's always the tea lady who gets fired first and the managers last. Many commenters here seem to live in some kind of fantasy world.

  • InsideOutSanta a day ago

    >the people running the business should fire themselves first?

    You were questioning whether they should, not whether they will. That's what people are responding to. They understand perfectly well who will get fired first.

    • alvah a day ago

      I was questioning the idealism actually. There’s not much to be achieved by wishing the world was a certain way, it’s generally more useful to deal with the world as it is.

      • InsideOutSanta a day ago

        What idealism? The person you responded to said they didn't expect things to change unless there were real consequences. Not expecting things to change is the opposite of idealism.

        But even if they were idealistic, arguing with people for wishing the world was better is a genuinely odd thing. If you followed your beliefs, wouldn't you understand that telling people not to wish for things is pointless? If you actually dealt with the world as it is, you would not argue with people on the Internet because changing somebody's mind, particularly in the way you are attempting to do it, is just as much wishful thinking as hoping that CEOs will fire themselves.

      • no_wizard a day ago

        If we don't talk about what we feel is ideal, we can never strive to achieve it.

        Its really important to discuss idealism for that reason alone