Comment by pjc50

Comment by pjc50 a day ago

23 replies

Note that various surveys report young women and young men diverging a lot more politically. Partly because women's rights have become so politicised.

pixl97 17 hours ago

>Partly because women's rights have become so politicised.

What is the womans suffrage movement?

I may be extrapolating on a single statement too far, but I do feel that you are missing a huge chunk of history regarding all the rights women (at least regarding the US) did not have.

Womans rights have been political for the last 200 years if not longer.

galfarragem a day ago

This trend is certainly one aspect of the explanation for the decline in the number of long-term relationships.

  • 542354234235 21 hours ago

    The other being that once women have largescale representation in the workforce, can open bank accounts and credit cards on their own, and can support themselves financially, one of the key pressures to marry is removed. Once there was no fault divorce and women did not need to prove why they needed to divorce, one of the key pressures to stay married is removed.

    • Jensson 17 hours ago

      That happened a long time ago though, much much longer ago than the number of relationships started to drop, so its unrelated.

    • dfxm12 20 hours ago

      Perhaps important, republicans from state lawmakers up to the VP are interested in repealing no fault divorce laws.

      • ryandrake 18 hours ago

        And that's just what they'll openly admit to! Rest assured, they would absolutely not stop at no-fault divorce. They would undo all of the progress you mentioned, and likely more.

      • 542354234235 19 hours ago

        I am the opposite of surprised. How else are terrible, low-quality men going to trap women into a life of unpaid home labor if they can control their own finances, reproduction, and choice to enter or leave a marriage.

      • UncleMeat 18 hours ago

        As the gender gap in voting patterns widens, denying rights to women goes from not only being an ideological project of the right but a political project as well. "We will win more elections if women have less social power" is not a good situation to be in.

  • HPsquared a day ago

    It could also be the opposite causality. Because people aren't getting into intimate relationships as much (looking out for each other, caring deeply about an individual of the opposite gender), the two groups are naturally diverging into preferring "what's best for ME".

    I think the political split between genders is MUCH stronger for singles. It's kind of a trap actually.

moolcool 19 hours ago

> Partly because women's rights have become so politicised.

That's a hand-wavy way of saying that a core pillar of one of your parties is to take away the rights of an entire gender.

Imagine describing 1940s Germany and saying "Ethnicity has become so politicized these days. I'm just interested in nationalizing the auto industry"

  • gosub100 18 hours ago

    That would only be true if words weren't perverted for political leverage. Sexist used to mean "women can't do that" now sexist means "a woman experienced an unpleasant thing, and it carries more significance because of her gender, and if you dare dispute this you can expect to be cancelled".

    • wat10000 18 hours ago

      How about “women can’t get certain medical procedures”? Or “women can’t vote”? Multiple prominent Republicans have floated reducing or eliminating women’s right to vote.

    • moolcool 18 hours ago

      I don't know if you're a news buff, but they're actually actively saying "women can't do that".

      • Jensson 17 hours ago

        That doesn't contradict what he said though, he didn't say the old sexists are no longer called sexist, he said the definition had expanded to cover many more than before.

barry-cotter a day ago

What do you mean by women’s rights? The difference in support for abortion by sex is trivial. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opini...

  • 9rx 18 hours ago

    Probably not abortion. While rights never happen in a vacuum, it is usually framed as a matter of fetus rights.

    How about a woman's right to equal employment opportunity? 67% of women are in favour of DEI, while most men (57%) take the opposing view. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-american...

    The primary political parties are definitely catering to those sides.

  • wing-_-nuts 18 hours ago

    Seeing a 3 point difference in the support for abortion between men and women is *wild* to me.

    • ryandrake 18 hours ago

      Rest assured: Those 33% of women who say abortion should be "Illegal in all/most cases," would instantly carve out an exception for themselves if their own lives or livelihoods were in jeopardy from a pregnancy.

DeathArrow a day ago

Also white/black, straight/gay, poor/wealthy etc.

We can find hundreds of dividing lines if we insist.

tekla 21 hours ago

Ah yes, one sex is diverging to the other side because they are wrong on MY pet issue. (This is not grounded in reality)