Comment by crote

Comment by crote 7 days ago

I would've probably agreed with this point 10 or 15 years ago. Someone saying "I would've liked universal healthcare, but lower taxes are more important to me" has an understandable position. I might not agree with their choice, but I can respect their decision.

However, these days the American political landscape looks a lot different. I understand having priorities, but if someone believes that a magical make-eggs-be-cheaper plan should have a higher priority than their friend (i.e., me) having basic human rights, why would I want to be friends with them? It doesn't matter if they personally agree with the politician's strip-their-friend-of-basic-rights plans or not, the fact that it isn't a priority to them at all says enough.

genewitch 7 days ago

What basic rights do I have that you don't, and where are these codified?

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UncleMeat 7 days ago

In the US there are no federal antidiscrimination protections for LGBT people except in employment through Bostock (and conveniently, Trump's EEOC has stopped pursuing these cases). You can be evicted from your home for being gay but not for being black or Christian.
Access to gender affirming care for trans minors is banned in more than half of US states. The very same medicines are allowed to be given to cis minors.
In 13 US states bathroom bills prevent trans people from comfortably existing outside of their homes for more than a few hours at a time.
It has only been 22 years since sodomy laws were found unconstitutional. It has only been 10 years since gay marriage was legalized nationwide. Thomas wrote in his Dobbs concurrence that Lawrence should be revisited. Several state legislatures have passed resolutions calling for Obergefell to be overturned.
While less of a "basic right", the Trump administration has banned trans people from serving in the military. Visibility of gay or trans characters in media available for minors is also regularly threatened. Products for trans people sold at stores like Target have led to bomb threats.

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- genewitch 7 days ago
  
  > Access to gender affirming care for trans minors is banned in more than half of US states. The very same medicines are allowed to be given to cis minors.
  The Cass report conclusions and recommendations should be listened to, it was a way better and more thorough study than the Netherlands study that begat all of the "gender clinics" in the US and elsewhere. https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20250310143...
  > In 13 US states bathroom bills prevent trans people from comfortably existing outside of their homes for more than a few hours at a time.
  As far as bathrooms, i feel uncomfortable in public restrooms. I don't know what the rate of people that feel uncomfortable in public restrooms, but those of us that do find family or single occupant restrooms, and know what places have those. No one wants to piss in a literal trough, i could be wrong.
  I don't consider sodomy a basic human right, but i could be argued with, i guess.
  I don't see what "bomb threats" have to do with human rights, in this context. Is there a human right to have products available at Target? If everyone boycotted Target (like they did with Bud Light), is that a violation of human rights, too?
  I am unsure why people keep deleting their replies. It is possible to have a reasoned discussion about inflammatory topics.
  
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  UncleMeat 7 days ago
  
  This is how things often goes. "Oh those aren't actually rights."
  You can think this, I suppose. But let me tell you that a very large number of LGBT people do consider these things to be questions of their basic rights.
  
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  lazyasciiart 6 days ago
  
  > I don't consider sodomy a basic human right, but i could be argued with, i guess.
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  > I am unsure why people keep deleting their replies. It is possible to have a reasoned discussion about inflammatory topics.
  I also think it is possible, but I don't think your first quoted statement here is compatible with that discussion.
  
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JohnKemeny 7 days ago

> What basic rights do I have that you don't, and where are these codified?
I'm cheering for you!

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