Comment by otterley

Comment by otterley 8 days ago

13 replies

"Not thriv[ing]" is not the same as being quashed. Minority opinions don't always rise to the popularity or acceptance level of majority opinions, and that's OK.

kccqzy 8 days ago

Let us not use the word "thrive" or "quash" to avoid misunderstandings. To rephrase, I hope that on HN even minority opinions have reasonable rebuttals. Unfortunately what currently happens is people flag minority opinions with no discussion.

  • JoshTriplett 8 days ago

    "flag" and "downvote" are two different tools with two different purposes.

    "downvote" seems more appropriate for for "this is not interesting and should be less prominent".

    "flag" seems more appropriate for "this should not be here at all".

    By way of an example, on a political story, if you say something merely unpopular, you'll get downvotes and replies; if you say something hateful, you'll (usually) get flagged.

    • kccqzy 8 days ago

      I agree with you, but that's not what happens for polarizing topics that are technical in nature and not political. People on HN seem to flag comments rather than downvote them.

  • otterley 8 days ago

    I agree that that's not a best practice. It's not what the downvote mechanism was intended for.

    • tracker1 8 days ago

      In a way, iirc, it really is. It's as much a "I disagree" as it is "I don't like this". That said, I would like to see more people actually respond in addition to a downvote.

      I don't think that's generally a function of the moderators though.

    • MrMcCall 8 days ago

      Flagging is used by people who have no rebuttal but are mad.

      That's why I have only flagged one or two posts, ever, but not because I was mad, but because the comment was just plain beyond the pale.

      And my posts against portaying violent rape in film got flagged.

      Make it make sense, because I understand the failure of this system because systems are my trade-in-craft.

      • jraph 7 days ago

        Nope, sometimes I would have a rebuttal but flagging is the better option (constructive discussion is hard without mutual respect, and/or don't feed the troll). Or, the comment doesn't even have anything to refute, it's just disrespectful or it's spam, or both.

        I have flagged a few comments but I'm rarely mad.

        And if one is mad because of a disrespectful comment, the flagging is probably appropriate too.

        • MrMcCall 7 days ago

          > constructive discussion is hard without mutual respect

          Yes, indeed.

      • AlexeyBelov 7 days ago

        > Flagging is used by people who have no rebuttal but are mad

        This is cope, just like "I'm being downvoted for speaking the truth!". Nobody thinks "wow, they said a true statement, I should downvote them".

        I suggest you try to steelman the idea of flagging and see that maybe there could be other things at play.