Comment by ArnoVW

Comment by ArnoVW 2 days ago

I won’t enter into a conversation about inequality and social justice, even though there are indeed points to be raised.

I would however like to point out that people are not only victims of society, and that they have a responsibility as a critical member of society and an elector. Historic awareness, understanding of economics, law and geopolitics.

To give an example: Mr Trump was not just votes into office, but RE voted into office. His plan was public for all to see.

More than 50% of American voters voted for him. I am having a difficult time to believe that 50%+ of the US are economically oppressed that had no choice but to vote for Trump.

Inequalities exist but they do not justify everything, neither do they explain everything.

slg 2 days ago

>More than 50% of American voters voted for him. I am having a difficult time to believe that 50%+ of the US are economically oppressed that had no choice but to vote for Trump.

I think it's important to be accurate with this stuff. 49.8% of voters voted for Trump, approximately 32% of eligible voters voted for him, and roughly 23% of the population voted for him. Don't discount apathy, disillusionment, and disenfranchisement in all this.

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robertlagrant 2 days ago

Inequality is very different to no prospects, or no hope.

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ArnoVW 2 days ago

Totally agree. But does that not reinforce my point?
Or are we saying now that 50%+ of the US has “no prospects or no hope”? Really?
Anyone thinking that is sorely mistaken about how good we have it, and I’m afraid is soon to find out. Destroying the apparatus of state and destabilizing international relations is not going to be good, certainly for those “with no prospects or hope”.
And that was not difficult to foresee.

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- robertlagrant 2 days ago
  
  > Totally agree
  I'm a little confused - if you agree, then why did you mention inequality in the first place?
  
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  ArnoVW a day ago
  
  the original statement was "they feel they have very little and no prospects or hope."
  As I said in my original comment, I think that is hyperbole at best, and deluded victim-thinking at worst. But I do consider that there is an issue of inequality.
  So I softened the original statement, and then showed that it still did not explain or even justify the massive vote for Trump ("Inequalities exist but they do not justify everything, neither do they explain everything")
  In other words, I interpreted the original statement generously and replied to the best possible version of the argument. That is one of the unwritten house rules, and it is what keeps HN a nice place.
  
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hgomersall 2 days ago

You make an interesting point, but there's an issue that significant resources are put into making sure that people do not understand economics, law and geopolitics properly. Economics is particular egregious in that the academic discipline is, for the most part, complete horseshit, and popular economics is a bastardised version of that. Geopolitics is also filtered heavily through whatever lens one views it.

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