Comment by sandworm101
Comment by sandworm101 2 days ago
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Comment by sandworm101 2 days ago
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Not having citizenship is different than being stateless.
Correct, nationality and citizenship are not precisely coextensive, but they are close enough in practice and citizenship sufficiently more commonly encountered of a concept that I wasn't going to try to get overly specific about nationality in a conversation where refugee status and statelessness were being confused. Perhaps a hypercorrection to my tendency to go into excessive detail... In any case, yes, there are some countries [0], where some nationals are not full citizens, and statelessness is precisely the absence of nationality, not citizenship.
[0] the United States among them. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega...
Not usually. Wikipedia:
> in most modern countries all nationals are citizens of the state, and full citizens are always nationals of the state.
> In international law, a "stateless person" is someone who is "not considered as a national by any state under the operation of its law"
Even the US distinguishes between citizens and nationals. Most famously, American Samoans are non-citizen nationals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_United_Stat...
Part of due process is determining if you are are protected by the law and if people are robbed of due process then the constitution already constructively doesn't apply to citizens.
When a judge blocks a federal action, that's not the judge blocking the action, that's the judge ruling the law is stopping the action.
The constitution is very much "just a historic document with little present day meaning" right now.
Yes. Ive done exactly that. A very large number of people in the US, those under various stages of illegal/legal immigration status, are regularly told not to leave. There was even an episode of Frasier about this, about how the Daphne character was not allowed to leave the country, else she couldnt come back. (The one in the RV where they drive to canada.) It is a normal part of life for many in the US.
No, statelessness is a real issue that people have to deal with (and which is not always correctable; most stateless people live in their country kf birth and if they could become citizens there, they would), not some kind of made up sovcit thing or a “behavior” that can be “encouraged”.
> Free non-laywer advice: if you are a true refugee without any country
Most refugees are not stateless, most stateless people are not refugees. They are distinct states that come sith distinct sets of challenges.
> give up on international vacation travel until you sort that out.
The article doesn't specify vacation travel; stateless people travel for work and also to cure statelessness for themselves and/or their children (the country in which they currently reside may not be the easiest—or even legally possible—for either they or their children to acquire citizenship, another one may make that more possible for them or, even if not, especially if it is a jus soli jurisdiction, for their children that might be born there to acquire citizenship.)