Comment by mystraline

Comment by mystraline 2 days ago

That's where I think things are headed.

For example, when the NLRB was crippled by trump firing a member and losing quoroum, they forgot an important part of union history.

Prior to a proper process of grievances, the old answer was to basically wage war, guns and all, against the bosses and their families. The companies also hired Pinkerton's and every so often had the national guard also fight for the companies.

Union history is a bloody and murderous affair.

The NLRB was the compromise to "go to the bosses house and shoot it up to leave a message". With the NLRB effective destruction, the next logical devolution for worker rights is violence, and a lot of it.

As for me, I'm looking at what it would take to get out of the USA. Already interviewing with a few places in EU. The USA is basically an invaded country at this point. And I really dont want to be around when the violence picks up.

Acrobatic_Road 2 days ago

IMO firing the people inside the agency wasn't enough. He needs to install anti-union replacements to destroy it from the inside.

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mystraline 2 days ago

How I'm reading and interpreting this, is that you dont want workers collectively communicating and joining forces at a negotiating table.
By denouncing this right of peaceably assembling and negotiating at a table of law, means that you're wanting the old solution of mass widespread violence against workers and management. Because this is exactly what happened before. But dont believe me - go read how unions were formed.
Most civilized countries have good worker protections. The USA is speedrunning the elimination of worker protections. And it doesn't take too much history knowledge to figure out how that works out.
I think the zoomer term is "fuck around and find out". We're in the 'fuck around' stage. I dont want to be here during the 'find out' stage.

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onemoresoop 2 days ago

Why anti union? Union protect workers, is there a war being waged on workers now?

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- Acrobatic_Road 2 days ago
  
  Unions produce nothing and don't innovate. Yes, they can benefit some people, but they provide no net societal benefit. In fact, they are a net negative because they misallocate resources (such as by keeping factories open producing cars that nobody wants).
  
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  onemoresoop 2 days ago
  
  They could benefit some people? They benefit the workers who would otherwise be worked literally to death. I wish they were not necessary but they came to existence exactly for this exact reason. If you could come up with an equitable and non exploitative system that works for everyone, suddenly you no longer have a need for unions.
  
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  Acrobatic_Road 2 days ago
  
  >They could benefit some people? They benefit the workers who would otherwise be worked literally to death.
  The problem is that they benefit workers not through productivity increases, but via collective bargaining, i.e. at the expense of society. Consider that when unions go on strike, they reduce economic productivity and disrupt the economy. Likewise, when unions fight to prevent factories from closing to protect the jobs of workers, this causes an inefficient allocation of resources - so now companies must bid up the prices of raw materials to produce things that nobody wants just to keep some people employed. Unions oppose automation for similar reasons, which is why we have the most inefficient ports in the world (worse than Africa!).
  So in sum, unions do literally nothing to make society better off. What benefits unionized workers receive come at cost of society (including other unionized workers!)
  >If you could come up with an equitable and non exploitative system that works for everyone, suddenly you no longer have a need for unions.
  Capitalism is working great, actually. It would work better without unions.
  
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  gaganyaan 2 days ago
  
  This is braindead capitalist propaganda. Stop filling your head with garbage. At the very least, keep it to yourself so other people don't have to smell it. Gross.
  
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