Comment by OptionOfT

Comment by OptionOfT 3 months ago

17 replies

You should check your websites like grass dot io (I refuse to give them traffic).

They pay you for your bandwidth while they resell it to 3rd parties, which is why a lot of bot traffic looks like it comes from residential IPs.

Aurornis 3 months ago

Yes, but the point is that big company crawlers aren’t paying for questionably sourced residential proxies.

If this person is seeing a lot of traffic from residential IPs then I would be shocked if it’s really Amazon. I think someone else is doing something sketchy and they put “AmazonBot” in the user agent to make victims think it’s Amazon.

You can set the user agent string to anything you want, as we all know.

  • voakbasda 3 months ago

    I wonder if anyone has checked whether Alexa devices serve as a private proxy network for AmazonBot’s use.

    • tepidsaucer 2 months ago

      Yes, people have probably analyzed Alexa traffic once or twice over the years.

      • photonthug 2 months ago

        You joke, but do people analyze it continuously forever also? Because if we’re being paranoid, that’s something you’d need to do in order to account for random updates that are probably happening all the time.

  • guardiangod 3 months ago

    I used to work for malware detection for a security company, and we looked at residential IP proxy services.

    They are very, very, very expensive for the amount of data you get. You are paying for per bit of data. Even with Amazon's money, the number quickly become untenable.

    It was literally cheaper for us to subscribe to business ADSL/cable/fiber optic services to our corp office buildings and thrunk them together.

  • dafelst 3 months ago

    I worked for Microsoft doing malware detection back 10+ years ago, and questionably sourced proxies were well and truly on the table

    • WarOnPrivacy 3 months ago

      >> but the point is that big company crawlers aren’t paying for questionably sourced residential proxies.

      > I worked for Microsoft doing malware detection back 10+ years ago, and questionably sourced proxies were well and truly on the table

      Big Company Crawlers using questionably sourced proxies - this seems striking. What can you share about it?

      • crote 3 months ago

        They worked on malware detection. The most likely reason is very obvious: if you only allow traffic from residential addresses to your Command & Control server, you make anti-malware research (which is most likely coming from either a datacenter or an office building) an awful lot harder - especially when you give non-residential IPs a different and harmless response instead of straight-up blocking them.

      • to11mtm 3 months ago

        they probably can't because some of the proxies were used by TLAs is my guess...

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  • ninkendo 3 months ago

    They could be using echo devices to proxy their traffic…

    Although I’m not necessarily gonna make that accusation, because it would be pretty serious misconduct if it were true.

    • ninkendo 3 months ago

      To add: it’s also kinda silly on the surface of it for Amazon to use consumer devices to hide their crawling traffic, but still leave “Amazonbot” in their UA string… it’s pretty safe to assume they’re not doing this.

  • baobun 3 months ago

    > Yes, but the point is that big company crawlers aren’t paying for questionably sourced residential proxies

    You'd be surprised...

    • WarOnPrivacy 3 months ago

      >> Yes, but the point is that big company crawlers aren’t paying for questionably sourced residential proxies

      > You'd be surprised...

      Surprised by what? What do you know?

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  • skywhopper 3 months ago

    It’s not residential proxies. It’s Amazon using IPs they sublease from residential ISPs.

SOLAR_FIELDS 3 months ago

Wild. While I'm sure the service is technically legal since it can be used for non-nefarious purposes, signing up for a service like that seems like a guarantee that you are contributing to problematic behavior.