Comment by trescenzi

Comment by trescenzi 14 hours ago

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If you consider TikTok a “Security-sensitive system” that seems to be such a broad category as to be useless. I guess we should stop using any and all Chinese produced software systems then? Which isn’t an unreasonable opinion but again it feels like a different conversation than “ban TikTok”.

ethbr1 14 hours ago

You don't consider a massively deployed app, on a majority of mobile devices, via which blackmailable individual profiles can be assembled "security-sensitive"?

I'd absolutely consider Meta to be security sensitive. And Microsoft. And Google. And Netflix.

  • PaulDavisThe1st 11 hours ago

    I'm curious what netflix behavior you imagine would ever be blackmailable?

    "You watched Red One, and we'll tell you employer and wife about it unless you ..."

    How does this work?

    • ethbr1 7 hours ago

      Frequency of datapoints is the main difference between Netflix and TikTok.

      If TikTok can infer something about a person, then Netflix can also infer it.

  • lossolo 14 hours ago

    > blackmailable individual profiles can be assembled

    What does that even mean in this context? Have you used TikTok before?

    • JumpCrisscross 13 hours ago

      > What does that even mean in this context?

      TikTok's CSAM problem is well documented [1].

      Disposable idiots are a necessary asset for any intelligence operation. Kim Jong-nam's assasins, for example, "were told to play harmless tricks on people in the vicinity for a prank TV show" [2].

      [1] https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/tiktok-under-fede...

      [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam

      • roenxi 12 hours ago

        Doesn't that imply that TikTok would be deliberately protecting high-profile individuals from CSAM prosecution? That seems like the sort of thing that should have triggered some warm-up scandals before requiring Chinese disinvestment.

        It isn't like TikTok are the only part of the internet with a CSAM problem. By default anything that offers file hosting has a CSAM problem. To keep the Chinese away from blackmail material the US would have to ban any form of image hosting served from the Chinese mainland - the CSAM people go to the CSAM, it doesn't proactively seek people out.

        • JumpCrisscross 12 hours ago

          > It isn't like TikTok are the only part of the internet with a CSAM problem

          Of course not. I was just providing an easy example of what TikTok may have that we don’t want the CCP to.

      • thaumasiotes 12 hours ago

        > TikTok's CSAM problem is well documented [1].

        Did you mean for that link to go somewhere different?

      • lossolo 12 hours ago

        > TikTok's CSAM problem is well documented [1].

        Your link doesn't say anything about TikTok?

        > Kim Jong-nam's assasins, for example, "were told to play harmless tricks on people in the vicinity for a prank TV show"

        What? How is that connected to "blackmailable individual profiles"?

        How can they blackmail me? Please explain. You mean like "I see you watch cat videos so now go revolt against your government or I will tell everyone you watch cat videos?", this is the blackmail part?