Comment by KerrAvon

Comment by KerrAvon 3 months ago

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It's more complicated than that, as always. Here's some (incomplete) background on Florida:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/03/how-floridas-home-insuranc...

Re: California, I don't understand the context for your question, or why you would think the California government is more strange than any other US state government. There's no universally-accepted "ideology of California." It's a big state with a huge, diverse population.

tl;dr, though: California does allow insurers to do that, but is using currently an antiquated set of rules that don't allow for modern risk management approaches. It's been rewriting those rules recently to fix this; I think the new rules are supposed to be in effect starting this year.

hintymad 3 months ago

It was based on some reports (or podcast? I can't remember) that the California government didn't allow the insurers to sufficiently increase their premiums in the burnt areas. The government (or the insurers) cited two reasons: there was a rule that the annual increase should be no more than 7%, and that if they want to make an exception then the insurers must increase the premiums for all the insured areas instead of setting the price by risk. As a result, the insurers stopped insurance renewal for about 60% of the burnt properties. I assume the intention is to protect the insured or to ensure certain equity, hence the use of the term "ideology". FWIW, it thought it was a neutral term, implying that it's a strongly held fundamental belief.

dlcarrier 3 months ago

California's insurance policies are more strange, due to proposition 103, passed in 1988.

It creates a condition where the state can prohibit insurers from selling to residents, if it doesn't like their prices, which has recently lead to a lot of insurers no longer selling in the state, as construction prices in the state have risen significantly faster than inflation, leading to insurance premiums that the state doesn't like.

Residents who no longer have any insurers available can buy insurance from the state, but its far more expensive than the plans it rejected from private insurers.

  • hintymad 3 months ago

    > Residents who no longer have any insurers available can buy insurance from the state, but its far more expensive than the plans it rejected from private insurers

    Sounds like a state-run racketeering business

    • dlcarrier 3 months ago

      No, it's likely running at a loss.

      • loeg 3 months ago

        In fact, a huge loss, which it plans to subsidize by... billing any insurers remaining in the state.

        > As of last Friday, the FAIR Plan had just $377 million available to pay claims, according to the office of Senator Alex Padilla, Democrat of California. It’s not yet known how much in claims the plan will face but the total insured losses from the fires so far has been estimated at as much as $30 billion.

        > If the FAIR Plan doesn’t have enough money to pay all its claims, it can rely on something called reinsurance — effectively, insurance for insurers in case their losses exceed a certain amount.

        > Senator Padilla’s staff said the plan has $5.75 billion in reinsurance available.

        Notably, $5.75B is less than $30B.

        > If the FAIR Plan can’t make up its losses from reinsurance alone, it can demand money from California’s insurance companies to make up the difference.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/14/climate/californias-insur... / https://archive.is/Xg6s9

        California couldn't set up a more broken insurance market if it tried.

happyopossum 3 months ago

> There's no universally-accepted "ideology of California." It's a big state with a huge, diverse population.

Population is diverse and large, yes, but the state government (including the insurance commissioner) is radically biased left/progressive and has been for decades.