Comment by blackeyeblitzar

Comment by blackeyeblitzar 3 months ago

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TikTok is surprisingly national at the surface level, but it is all coordinated back with the parent China based entities (ByteDance, Douyin, and the CCP), so that even if it is national, it upholds China’s national interests. See the story at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42739855 for more details. But basically, TikTok executives had to agree to let ByteDance monitor their personal devices, swear oaths to uphold various goals of the CCP (“national unity” “socialism” etc), report to both a US-based manager and a China-based manager, uphold the CCP’s moderation/censorship scheme, and so on. It is REALLY aggressive and unethical, but also reveals how subtly manipulative the entire system of TikTok is.

gunian 3 months ago

Do you think it would be possible to show this programmatically? As in scrape n posts from TikTok and Reels and show the first displays CCP tendencies?

Or is this like a general US freedom China dictator logic

  • insane_dreamer 3 months ago

    It actually doesn't matter whether TT has done it already or not.

    What matters is that it has the __capability__ of doing it, in ways that would be difficult to detect, when it proves expedient to do so.

    • markdown 3 months ago

      Yup, but of course more than one person has to agree for this to actually happen. Which is not the case for other apps, like Twitter/X. If Musk wants to remove a government, he has only to promote "free speech" and let falsehoods and misinformation dominate his platform.

      • account42 3 months ago

        If a government can be removed easily with "mis"information then maybe it does not deserve to be in power in the first place. Maybe if politicians weren't habitual liars selling their votes to the highest bidder instead of acting in the interest of the people they are supposed to represent then those people would have some trust in them.

      • gunian 3 months ago

        geopolitics aside could a turing machine identify misinformation / programatically check whether something is true or not? because even among humans there is no agreement

lupire 3 months ago

You are conflating strong Chinese Communist control of the business with how the content behaves. TikTok is full of content that would put a Chinese person in prison.

See this 2019 article outlining Chinese Communist moderation policies that (obviously) were attached to the app when TikTok was new, but were removed for non-Chinese user communities.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...

  • imbnwa 3 months ago

    There's a Chinese creator on there Huey Li who just made a whole video about that as part of a story about how, now living stateside, he can no longer write in his mother language