Comment by ryandrake

Comment by ryandrake a day ago

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I'm still not sure I understand the national security concerns around 17-year old nobodies publishing videos of themselves doing silly dances. Or the "metadata" those 17 year olds produce. Are people sharing nuclear secrets on TikTok or something (and not doing the same on US services)?

philipbjorge a day ago

I haven't followed this closely, but I assumed it was related to a foreign entity having the ability to hyper-target content towards said 17 year olds (and the entire userbase in general) -- A modern form of psychological warfare.

  • miah_ a day ago

    Like Cambridge Analytica (who used Facebook to do exactly this for the 2016 election).

owlbite a day ago

The concern is they won't be 17 forever. 5/10/20/30 years down the line some small portion of these kids are going to hold important jobs, and some of them will have worthwhile blackmail material in their tiktok history.

  • ryandrake a day ago

    OK, wild. It's farfetched, but at least the "blackmail" angle makes a little bit of sense. Still strangely targeted. There are a lot of other apps where people are making "potential blackmail" material.

echoangle a day ago

You can still push a particular group of those 17-year olds pushing specific views to influence elections. As long as some proportion of the electorate watches stuff on TikTok.

afavour a day ago

> the national security concerns around 17-year old nobodies publishing videos of themselves doing silly dances

C'mon, we can have a more informed conversation than that.

TikTok is an entertainment platform the average young American watches for more than an hour a day. Videos cover just about any topic imaginable. We just had an election. Is it really so impossible to imagine a foreign power adjusting the algorithm to show content favorable to one candidate over another? It's entirely within their power and they have every motive.

  • ryandrake a day ago

    So why a single product? Young people watch content from way more than a single app. And reportedly (from my kid) they are all just moving over to a different Chinese content-sharing app. If we're worried about "foreign" influence, shouldn't we be blocking all non-US sources of information that young people might watch and be influenced by? It looks pretty ham-fisted to just target one of those sources.

    • fumar a day ago

      How are kids discovering a new Chinese-owned app? Is it through Tik Tok? Could the Tik Tok algo be biased towards China over US based companies?

      • ryandrake a day ago

        How did they find TikTok originally? Or Snapchat, or all the other silly apps they use? We're all being bombarded with marketing and advertising every day. Maybe this new app is good at marketing and the product itself is as good as TikTok, who knows, I don't use either of them.

        The TikTok ban would have been the perfect opportunity for any number of competing US social media apps to swoop in and offer TT's current users a replacement, but they seem to have all failed to address that market.

  • coldpie a day ago

    The trouble I have is that Facebook & X do this, too, and their owners are similarly unaccountable to US law, but we aren't we banning them. If this law were applied equally, I'd be all in favor. Instead it is transparently just a handout to Facebook to remove a business competitor. That sucks, big time.

    • afavour a day ago

      I share that concern. But I also recognize that passing an equivalent law for domestic social media networks would be considerably less likely to pass. Perfect as the enemy of good and all that.

      • coldpie a day ago

        But this is worse than good: it's giving Facebook & X even more control over the discourse by removing a competitor.

ericd a day ago

I think this underestimates how popular TikTok is with 20/30 year olds.

eckesicle a day ago

Because it’s used to influence elections worldwide. Most recently the first round of the Romanian elections were won by an unheard of pro-Russian candidate who ran a disinformation campaign on TikTok, allegedly organised by the Kreml.

https://www.politico.eu/article/investigation-ties-romanian-...

https://www.politico.eu/article/calin-georgescu-romania-elec...

  • jmorenoamor a day ago

    I understand that, but, you can run that campaign on Instagram, Twitter, or wherever your target audience is, right?

    • eckesicle a day ago

      Both those entities are within regulatory reach of the US administration.

  • segasaturn a day ago

    Do you have any proof that the Chinese government played a role in his campaign? Because the 2016 United States election was possibly influenced by disinformation campaigns on Facebook, yet there is no ban and Zuck is taking an even more lax approach to moderation than Tiktok.

startupsfail a day ago

Blackmail. Information. They could be kids of someone with access/high clearance or get it themselves in a few years.