Comment by marcosdumay

Comment by marcosdumay 16 hours ago

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Hy from Brazil... You know, a poor country.

We make single-level houses with a reinforced concrete structure, because it's cheap.

You know what isn't cheap? Wood. Wood is incredibly expensive to put into a shape, even if you are willing to cut forests down to get it.

erikerikson 15 hours ago

This was surprising because here in the US, concrete is expensive to build with. I'm considering a build and by far log homes seem my cheapest option.

  • marcosdumay 14 hours ago

    Yes, people from the US always say concrete is expensive and wood is cheap. And unless you are designing a tent (by the way, zinc is way cheaper than wood for a tent), only people from the US say that.

    There's something distorting your economy. Concrete is incredibly cheap as a material, extremely prone to use in a large supply chain, and requires way less labor than wood.

    You make houses siting over finely built wood lattices... how much do you pay to the people building those? Because I can't imagine it being justifiable with Brazilian salaries.

nradov 15 hours ago

Wood is incredibly cheap in North America. We're not cutting down forests for it, either. Much of the wood used for residential construction is milled from trees grown specifically for that purpose.

  • wrfrmers 15 hours ago

    Lumber is quite a bit lower quality than it used to be, because we're no longer using old-growth timber. Less dense wood burns faster, as does the laminated strand board that long ago replaced plywood (unless you're really fancy) (and toxic fire retardant treatments be damned).

    The low cost of lumber is one of many things in America that don't make sense economically, but that persist because of momentum, with each generation receiving an inferior facsimile of what the previous ones knew. See also: car-centric policy (from infrastructure to gas prices) and retirement planning (pensions to IRAs to nothing).

  • marcosdumay 14 hours ago

    > We're not cutting down forests for it, either.

    The largest share of the illegal wood extracted from Brazil goes to the US.

    • nradov 14 hours ago

      The illegal hardwood is not used for residential framing or sheathing. It has nothing to do with fire resistance or insurance.

      • marcosdumay 11 hours ago

        Most illegal wood is not hardwood.

        What is not to say that most of the wood in the US is illegal. It's probably a small share. But some of your houses do pretty much chop forests down. (And your government does help fight that, but it's hard to completely stop it.)