Comment by hnpolicestate

Comment by hnpolicestate a day ago

Sometimes I feel bad for repeating myself but relevant threads keep appearing.

Mazda won't permit me to use remote start because I refused to install their app and enable connected services. The man I worked with on the lease was extraordinarily aggressive with me. Almost demanding I install and register this app to complete lease agreement.

So now I don't have remote start and every time I turn the car on I have to select cancel on an infotainment prompt asking me to enable connected services.

The TOS specifically says driving data will be sold to 3rd parties including law enforcement and insurance companies.

emeril a day ago

I had a similar experience with a Mazda lease

I never installed the app and I was asked to by the leasing guy though he wasn't pushy about it - for whatever reason, the lease/sales guys are incented to have it installed though, allegedly, mazda corporate says they don't incent them - I don't trust it

also, allegedly, since I didn't install it, mazda says my TPU is disabled which is fine by me - remote start is less important than saying many thousands of dollars on bogus insurance hikes

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clejack 5 hours ago

I didn't work for Mazda, but I did work for a large auto manufacturer, and I can tell you we did incentivize dealers to complete sign up for connected services for the reasons most of you would probably expect.
We wanted to collect your data to sell it, utilize it for maintenance, or for general product improvement. I.e. wanted it so we could make or save money. No surprise there I hope.
The dealer incentive was literally a payment when a customer signs up because the money we'd make with customer data outweighs the dealer kickback.

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pards a day ago

> The TOS specifically says driving data will be sold to 3rd parties including law enforcement and insurance companies.

That's awful, but at least it was written down, I guess.

That'd be a hard "No" for me. Or at least I'd ask for a big chunk of that revenue in exchange for MY data.

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acuozzo a day ago

> Almost demanding I install and register this app to complete lease agreement.

I wonder how he would react if you were to tell him that you don't own or use a cellular phone.

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diggan a day ago

Doesn't that kind of make sense when leasing though, you're essentially doing "long renting" and you don't actually own the car?

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gertop a day ago

I find it amusing that you think privacy rights should only be for buyers and not renters.

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- diggan a day ago
  
  Renters of what? Items people can just take and leave with, yeah I think it's OK they keep track of the thing while I'm renting it.
  A home though? I guess it makes sense that they can sometimes inspect it, but I expect privacy in my own home even if I'm renting.
  So yeah, depends. Is there some fallacy in my views or something I'm missing?
  
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  dahart a day ago
  
  Renters of cars. Was that not clear from the context? Question was whether data collection and loss of privacy on rental cars should be expected by renters of cars.
  
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