Comment by somenameforme

Comment by somenameforme 2 days ago

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In a Supreme Court case the burden of proof is on the petitioner, and it's the duty of the Court to critically question that evidence and proof. See, for instance, comparable coverage on the Roe vs Wade case, where you will see similar grilling. [1] Something quite important is how the judges responded to the claims and the follow ups. For instance in the transcript [2] follow the dialogue from the quotes you gave versus the grilling of Prelogar, representing the government.

She was, at times, being overtly mocked with quotes from judges like, "That's your best argument is that the average American won't be able to figure out that the cat feed he's getting on TikTok could be manipulated, even though there's a disclosure saying it could be manipulated?" Prelogar in general found herself struggling to defend the claim that the attempted ban was based on data access and not content (which would be unconstitutional), why there were no alternatives if the claims were based solely on data access, and the implications for any other foreign company that has access to user data (which is basically all of them). TikTok was met with some tough questioning but generally responded competently.

[1] - https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/12/majority-of-court-appears...

[2] - https://www.techpolicy.press/transcript-us-supreme-court-ora...

TeaBrain 2 days ago

I read the transcript also, and from what I read, I don't disagree that Francisco answered competently, but he may have been given an impossible task. The law was upheld, as I suggested the justices were leaning towards. I didn't see the decision being unanimous, but that's the way it came down.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/tiktok-ba...

  • somenameforme a day ago

    Yip, gotta say I'm extremely surprised - not that it passed per se, but by 9-0?! I wish more of the justices wrote opinions. Gorsuch's opinion was pretty enlightening, but simultaneously even more confusing. Apparently the judges deemed the law of a "compelling interest" and "content neutral" which enabled it to sidestep a "strict scrutiny" of Constitutional appropriateness.

    Yet his opinion was almost entirely critical of the arguments that justified such. And it also seemed to include misinformation (unless it happens that I'm misinformed) suggesting that the TikTok app could access "any data" - a term which he himself put in quotes and also italicized - about anybody in a user's contact list. He said it included, but was not limited to photos and personal information. And this leaking of data of non-consenting users was apparently a significant part of the case. I'd be beyond surprised if the Android/Apple APIs bleed any substantial amount of information through contact access alone.

    Interesting times we live in, as always!