Comment by markgreene

Comment by markgreene 2 days ago

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cloud gaming has given me this same revelation. It's as portable as a Switch but the gaming experience isn't limited by the hardware in hand. Connectivity is important for the experience, though.

brink 2 days ago

Streaming videos, leasing cars, cloud gaming, spotify, are all great until the distributor takes it away.

I prefer to own my things. The sense that something is mine increases the pleasure of using something for me.

It probably stems from my acquired lack of trust in people. The idea that there's a suit in a high-rise building that spends their days thinking about how to exploit my continued enjoyment of a title by raising the fee, or not addressing congestion hours, or retracting the title when the contract is up and renewing would cost too much, or putting a clause in the service agreement that strips me of my right to sue them if I lose an arm in their amusement park, simply by blurring the lines of ownership.. it bothers me.

machinekob 2 days ago

cloud gaming is good if you live close to the servers and don't care about graphics, but playing with +60-100ms for every action feels very bad. It almost feels like playing on 15-20 fps PC and quality of streaming video is always a problem compared to native quality maybe AV1 will fix it.

  • jeffhuys 2 days ago

    7ms latency, 4k120fps with geforce now. 10ms on wifi. I'm not kidding.

    It's ALMOST perfect. I play BF1 through it. Try it once (I believe they still have the "free for 1hr per session, infinite sessions"? That's what sold it to me).

    I can play very intensive games (graphically) on my macbook on the couch. It's amazing, and I couldn't believe the 10ms on wifi. It's mind-blowing.

    BUT I live near Amsterdam, where a server cluster is.

    Also, about the graphics: I'm borrowing a 4080 every time. Everything is on max. If you're in a very (very) hard scene for compression, then yeah, you'll see (very little) artifacts. But I run it on 75mbit, and that's a LOT.

  • joseda-hg 2 days ago

    I have gigabit, but no servers that are close, it's... rough

    • TingPing 2 days ago

      Streaming in the same house still isn’t very good. Games are very latency sensitive.

      • PaulHoule 2 days ago

        Depends on the game. I think I'm more sensitive to latency (less able to compensate) than most people. I couldn't enjoy playing Titanfall until I put my Samsung TV in game mode; I would just get hit and couldn't do anything about it playing League of Legends on my gaming laptop with a 4K monitor, but when I hooked up an external monitor, mirrored the screen, and ran a clock, I took photos showing my laptops' screen was behind by 30 ms. I started playing on an external monitor and started to win. I even found I had a hard time with some 1 player games such as Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet if I didn't run in game mode.

        On the other hand, I went through a phase where I did a lot of streaming from my PC to a NVIDIA Shield and an XBOX. Sometimes through wired Ethernet, something through an airMAX microwave link to my other house. Games like Persona 5 and Orcs Must Die 3 were just fine, but I could not play any Rhythm games, which I have a knack for, High-Fi Rush was no fun at all.

      • op00to 2 days ago

        My kid plays fortnite using home streaming to an xbox, and says he doesn't notice the latency. I do the same on an Asus ROG Ally, and it's "good enough". I am not a competitive FPV player, but suffer from OCD and notice latency and it tweaks me hard.

      • wincy 2 days ago

        I'm playing single player games via Parsec and the latency feels fine. Moonlight is tolerable but Steam streaming feels terrible for some strange reason. This is running two Wifi 6 devices so nothing is even wired. I often use a controller connected to my laptop, or even better use the wireless controller, connect that to the physical device then you bypass the controller latency and only the video has a lag, which is kind of a neat trick if you're close enough to the computer you're streaming from.

        The only sorts of games I can't play are things like Binding of Isaac that are super dependent on reaction speeds, but even games like Elden Ring feel fine.

      • jeffhuys 2 days ago

        Do you expect less than 7ms? Because that's my latency with Geforce Now. Almost unnoticable.

        • joseda-hg 2 days ago

          7ms is intra national ping, I have about half a continent to the closest GeForce Now and a bit more to the closest XCloud

          200+ ms

    • lostmsu 2 days ago

      Shameless self-PR: we are building p2p cloud gaming at https://borg.games

      You should get low latency as long as anyone in your city joins as a provider.

      • mh- 2 days ago

        Did clicking on the Rent my PC tab really try to benchmark my GPU through my browser, or did I accidentally click another button on that page inadvertently that triggered that?

        If the former, that's a terrible idea. If the latter, that button really needs a confirmation and explanation of what's about to happen.

        I'm viewing on an Intel Mac and it hung my entire computer for like 15 seconds. I didn't even connect that it was related to viewing your site until I got the error at the end and everything unfroze.

      • hiatus 2 days ago

        What does utilization look like? I would be interested in running this on a spare machine but it's not clear how large the potential audience of renters may be in my area.

        • lostmsu 2 days ago

          Right now the utilization is low (< 10%), but in the effort to prop the providers side the company is footing the bill and paying for availability approximately 50% of what the benchmark on the page tells you. This is a rather common strategy for bootstrapping any two-sided market.

  • koromak 2 days ago

    Yeah my experience has been thats its basically unplayable. I'm the kind of person who refunds when a game is <60fps though.

duxup 2 days ago

Yeah I gave GeForceNow a run and I really liked it. There are limits but I like just firing up a game regardless of platform.