Aeolun 3 days ago

So the better internet is for everyone, is that so bad?

I’d rather have them help everyone than make arbitrary decisions about who gets served. That’s what we have the legal system for.

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  • lostlogin 3 days ago

    It gets into the weeds fast. I thought I was all for free speech, then the Christchurch terrorist shared his live stream of him killing people.

    The legal system is too slow and private companies have a dubious record of what they police. What’s a good model to follow?

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    • mschuster91 3 days ago

      > The legal system is too slow and private companies have a dubious record of what they police. What’s a good model to follow?

      Get the legal system in shape. Yeet everyone above pension age out of public office so that we finally may get people into power who grew up with smartphones instead of old farts who let their secretaries print out e-mails and type audio recordings into letters. Then, do the same for police leadership and DAs, yeet the brawns and get the brains. You can't prosecute IT crimes if your average police officer doesn't even know what a proxy or a money mule scam is or if the DA is too goddamn lazy to file a subpoena because the damage is less than 950 dollars.

      Then, crack the whip on domestic telcos, ISPs and hosters. Whoever hosts anything connected with more than 200 users has to have a 24/7/365 abuse hotline that has the manpower and authority to investigate abuse claims and remediate them (i.e. disconnect whoever is causing the problem until this party has remediated the issue on their end) in less than four hours.

      Then, crack the whip on manufacturers of smart devices. Mandate that every Thing sold with an internet connectivity get at least security updates for a decade, and that the full source code for everything in it including signing keys for firmware be submitted to Library of Congress or whatever archive and released when the manufacturer either goes bust or declares end of life for that Thing.

      And then, get the State Department into shape. Countries from which malicious traffic operates or where money from scams gets exfiltrated to get half a year to get their shit in order and be good netizens, or they get cut off from Western nations. No SWIFT, no Internet, no SS7.

      The Internet at its fundamental core (cough BGP) runs on the assumptions of a high-trust society, which has led to issues all over the place as the world has shifted towards a no-trust-at-all lawless society and as it is impossible to uproot probably trillions of dollars worth of infrastructure, drastic action needs to be taken to restore the Internet to a high-trust place again.

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      • Majromax 2 days ago

        > Then, crack the whip on domestic telcos, ISPs and hosters. Whoever hosts anything connected with more than 200 users has to have a 24/7/365 abuse hotline that has the manpower and authority to investigate abuse claims and remediate them (i.e. disconnect whoever is causing the problem until this party has remediated the issue on their end) in less than four hours.

        I think this makes small-scale hosting unaffordable. It would probably cost circa $150k to staff that hotline, which is then the lower bound on labor cost for the provider. That implies a $750/yr bill to each of those 200 customers before technical costs.

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      • censorfree 3 days ago

        >Then, crack the whip on manufacturers of smart devices. Mandate that every Thing sold with an internet connectivity get at least security updates for a decade, and that the full source code for everything in it including signing keys for firmware be submitted to Library of Congress or whatever archive and released when the manufacturer either goes bust or declares end of life for that Thing.

        This is much needed as to not have a bunch of e-wast. Of course pretty sure this will cut into next year's new model's profit. Do we really this new model of phone/computer every few year?

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      • kortilla 3 days ago

        > or they get cut off from Western nations. No SWIFT, no Internet, no SS7.

        How do you propose to disconnect them from the internet? As long as there is a country that peers with them that the west peers with, they will be reachable.

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      • Icathian 2 days ago

        I'd vote for you. God damn I wish this was the world we lived in.

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    • fijiaarone 2 days ago

      If a killer wanted to make a scene, they could just do it in the real world right in front of people instead of on Facebook.

      These days, with everyone having a camera strapped to their hands or face, that might not work.

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  • bigfatkitten 3 days ago

    > I’d rather have them help everyone than make arbitrary decisions about who gets served. That’s what we have the legal system for.

    They don't get to have common carrier status without any of the regulation or obligations that go with it.

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  • viraptor 3 days ago

    They also help the groups which sell DDoS services. And sell the DDoS protection. Even if we ignore their morally messed up choices, their business is both making things worse for everyone and sells the cure.

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