salynchnew 3 days ago

Given the number of ultrarich and powerful people that already hate the Hindenberg folks... my guess would be that there is some calculus here about the incoming U.S. presidential administration's enmity towards whistleblowers and their prior statements about changing libel laws in the U.S.

  • Animats 3 days ago

    Um, yes.

    Starting next week, it's open season on suckers. It's going to be like the glory days of the Tel Aviv binary options scammers, who at one time were 40% of the Israeli finance sector and had good political connections.[1] Crypto deregulation is coming. No more CFPB enforcement! No more SEC enforcement!

    There are still people who haven't lost money in crypto yet who can be targeted. They're all little people. No one will help them. Just pay off some influencers and start up your scam.[2]

    [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/binary-options-fraud/

    [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/memecoins/

    • ylee 3 days ago

      >It's going to be like the glory days of the Tel Aviv binary options scammers, who at one time were 40% of the Israeli finance sector and had good political connections.

      When I started at Goldman Sachs 25 years ago, I was told early on of an "Israeli discount" and "Canadian discount"; that is, investors were more skeptical of companies based in those countries.

      I was not told of any more details than that at the time, but I now wonder if what you said is the cause?

      • Animats 3 days ago

        Right, that's about when Netanyahu first took over. The Netanyahu era hasn't been good for Israel, but it's been great for Netanyahu's cronies.

        In the US, south Florida seems to be the scam capital.

  • tveita 3 days ago

    Musk famously hates short sellers, the Trump Social CEO has done the "blame the short sellers" bit, Eric Trump is hyping crypto coins, Trump himself is eager to take credit whenever the market goes up... I think it's almost guaranteed that they'll target short sellers specifically at some point. They're a easy target to blame, and divert attention from the the fact that they are actually fleecing investors right at this moment.

    Soon the only crime will be exposing fraud.

9283409232 3 days ago

Hindenburg exposes hucksters and frauds. Hucksters and frauds have now taken over the highest office. He just sees the writing on the wall and needs to get out now.

paxys 3 days ago

There is a very fine line between investigative journalism and market manipulation. They treaded it pretty carefully so far, but were bound to slip up sooner or later. Especially now that they are prominent enough that HFT bots are instantly shorting every company they mention in new posts. Quitting while they are ahead is a good move.

proxyon 3 days ago

Off the top of my head the reporting about Block - CashApp was disgraceful and Hindenburg got sued for it. Not sure how that's going to play out with disbanding the "company."

  • n144q 3 days ago

    I don't think Hindenburg is scared of being sued, otherwise they wouldn't have been in the business in the first place. Their investigations are extremely thorough, with everything fully documented, mostly from public records, for the specific purpose that if/when they show up in court, they can be confident of the basis of their findings.

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/adani-group-threate...

    P.S. where did you see Block suing Hindenburg? The closest thing I can find is 'Block said it intended to “explore legal action” against Hindenburg, who sought to “deceive and confuse” Block investors to “profit from a declined stock price.”' which is just PR speak

    • shiroiushi 3 days ago

      >I don't think Hindenburg is scared of being sued, otherwise they wouldn't have been in the business in the first place

      They should be. If doesn't matter how well everything is documented or how above-board the company is when the courts turn into kangaroo courts for a thoroughly corrupt administration. They're right to get out now while they still can.

      • FilosofumRex 3 days ago

        No, Nate is not afraid of being sued, he is afraid of being indicted for fraud. The difference being that you just pay your way out of lawsuits, but indictments are a bit more serious

      • n144q 3 days ago

        The court finds them guilty of violating which laws, exactly?

        Sorry I really don't get what you are trying to say. In order to lose in court, you need to first find a law where Hindenburg could be breaking. But I don't see that happening, especially as it's almost impossible for them to be found guilty of defamation due to the First Amendment.

    • blackeyeblitzar 3 days ago

      How do you explain their report on Supermicro? It seems nothing was wrong there after all. From https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/2024120275/why-...

      > the committee confirmed previously stated findings that there was "no evidence of fraud or misconduct on the part of management or the board of directors."

      • thombat 2 days ago

        After the external auditors resigned saying that the financials couldn't be trusted the fact that an internal report run from the board of the directors clears them mightn't be as generally reassuring as you seem to find it.

      • n144q 3 days ago

        It's not my job to explain. Ask Hindenburg Research.

  • snailmailstare 3 days ago

    Would that really be a factor? It's hard to call it slander when you agree to pay the fine.