Comment by postcert

Comment by postcert 4 days ago

The most disheartening part of this ban is that it’s just about the only thing the government can agree on. IMO Mitt Romney slipped the truth in saying: “Some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians, relative to other social media sites — it's overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts."

TikTok is the first and just about the only place I’ve seen content about corporate greed, the accelerating disappearance of the middle class and the real downstream effects of US foreign policy that hasn’t been whitewashed.

The ball is in China’s court now, if they can provide a space where this class consciousness can continue to grow they’ll easily get equal/better (though I think magnitudes greater) returns than Russia’s recent social campaigns.

theultdev 4 days ago

> The ball is in China’s court now, if they can provide a space where this class consciousness can continue to grow they’ll easily get equal/better

We can hope the CCP's consciousness grows and they shutdown their concentration camps, stop organ harvesting, and start having elections.

The ball is in their court.

We can talk TikTok being allowed after that.

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hxegon 4 days ago

Maybe every other country should ban American imports until we stop bankrolling Israel if that's your position.

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- theultdev 4 days ago
  
  Sure. Plenty of people to trade with who don't support terrorists like Hamas.
  
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  hxegon 4 days ago
  
  This is like saying that people who are against civilian casualties in the wars in iraq and Afghanistan are all pro 9/11 and love al-qaeda. How does the boot taste?
  
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postcert 4 days ago

What's the implication? That we as a society and/or government have a more just consciousness?
There are certainly are issues in China but are these "popular headline" talking points worse than the suffering we have here? And that's even after assuming they are factual.
We sell prison labor for pennies. We allow individuals to create epidemics and slap them on the wrist. We allow the future of our next generations to be squandered for today's profits. We allow our government to be just as captive to the desires of private parties in a way that's effectually reduced elections to a non-choice.
I don't think anyone with a conscious can say we're any better and that's without taking into account our worst contributions of genocides/wars/instability to the global community.
But in the end w/e, you have your freedom tinted glasses on (it must be nice) and the average american is screwed on our current trajectory.

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- theultdev 4 days ago
  
  The difference between prison labor and Uyghur forced labor camps:
  In the US those people lost their rights by committing criminal acts and were convicted by a jury of their peers.
  In China, the Uyghurs were forced into camps because of their ethnicity.
  No different than Nazi Germany. And yes those camps are real.
  Btw the prison labor camp talking point is a common 50 cent army tactic. Not sure if you're doing it for free or...
  
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  hxegon 4 days ago
  
  Let me genuinely ask you something because you seem to be all over this thread with a strong different opinion, and I'm not so arrogant as to believe it's impossible that I'm wrong.
  Do you really think, in real world terms, that China could not accomplish the types of infiltrations / surveillance it would deem strategically important without tiktok? Considering that they already compromise government systems on a regular basis (which I can provide links for if you're curious)
  Do you genuinely think that corruption / lobbying has nothing to do with this ban? What is your primary concern that makes you in favor of this?
  Do you look at things like facebook and instagram and either not see the blatant propaganda on there or not see a problem with it?
  I'm just wondering if we are disagreeing on the facts or if we have fundamentally incompatable values, I want to understand.
  
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