Comment by ipython

Comment by ipython 3 days ago

I'm not asking to be treated or trusted like an authority. I'm just asking not to treat people, when sharing a lived experience shared with others (making this n>1), is told that their experience is "half baked". My lived experience is by definition my objective reality.

Arguing with me that I could not possibly have experienced a cause and effect because some people didn't hold enough large enough placebo controlled double blind studies (I say this because double blind studies have studied this exact phenomenon, and triggered the retraction of some of these dyes in other countries) is just insulting after a while.

We know so little about nutrition and how different individuals process different nutrients that the scientific consensus on healthy food habits, weight loss, etc have shifted dramatically over the years. We are facing an obesity epidemic in the US. A little humility would be nice in the face of what clearly is not working for the majority of the population.

I mean, it's just food dye for God's sake, what's the "scientific" argument that foods must contain artificial colors?

bmicraft 2 days ago

> My lived experience is by definition my objective reality.

Just glossing over your complete misuse of objective here btw. There is nothing objective about your subjective* "lived realiy".

*Definition of subjective: 1. Dependent on or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world. / 2. Based on a given person's experience, understanding, and feelings; personal or individual.

Source: https://www.wordnik.com/words/subjective

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bmicraft 3 days ago

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm against unnecessary additives too. But you surely agree that anecdotes are bad source to inform your understanding on a subject where countless actual experts are available.

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ipython 3 days ago

What can the actual experts tell me about my child's reaction to the food dye? One of my children has an adverse reaction to the dyes, my other children do not. What is the expert going to tell me? How does one get access to one of these experts? What about the studies that do show a link between behavior issues and artificial dyes? Are those studies not to be trusted?
Edit: curious about your first sentence: what makes you against unnecessary food additives? Is it a double blind study? If so, can you name it or an expert opinion on the matter that you trust?

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- bmicraft 2 days ago
  
  I'm not telling you to personally change your belief. What I was trying to say is that you're propping up the value of your individual opinion as if it should rival experts to the reader.
  > [...] claiming that anyone who has a lived experience is stupid (aka, falling for a logical fallacy) is just accelerating the distrust of "authority" at a time when we need it most.
  I'm saying that you making a mountain out of a belief does directly translate to a distrust in experts, in a way that telling somebody they might just be wrong/it was a coincidence/whatever couldn't do.
  At the end of the day most people just see what the want or expect to see, when there isn't a strong enough correlation in another direction. That's why, a reader, one should not value any anecdote too highly.
  > curious about your first sentence: what makes you against unnecessary food additives? Is it a double blind study?
  The question reads like a gotcha, but I'll answer anyway: The fact that there aren't enough studies about many such ingredients, and that I don't have time to check which are definitely vs. lack data.
  
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- crummy 3 days ago
  
  Lots of parents probably follow similar lines of thinking about the effect of sugar on their kids' behaviour, and I think it's worth deferring to experts on that.
  
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- bmicraft 2 days ago
  
  > What can the actual experts tell me about my child
  That's the exact sort of distrust in authorities you purport yourself to be against.
  
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