Comment by amelius

Comment by amelius 4 days ago

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No, rationing is the complete opposite and ensures that not just rich people can have access to a resource.

This is basically why the word "rationing" exists in the first place.

What good is being "productive" (whatever your definition of it) if poor people die from lack of access to water because chips need to exist.

kragen 4 days ago

We aren't talking about drinking-water quantities of water here but about irrigation quantities. Poor people in Arizona are not in danger of dying from thirst. Think Milagro Beanfield War, not Dune. Poor people in Phoenix get their water from the water utility, which gives you 3740+ gallons of potable water per month for US$4.64: https://www.phoenix.gov/waterservicessite/Documents/Rates_Ef...

That works out to 0.032¢ per liter. A quarter (25¢) will buy you 760 liters of water, enough to survive for three months. That's about 1000× lower than a price at which even Phoenix's homeless might start dying of thirst due to the cost of water. (Homeless people don't pay the water utility, but they get water from people who do.)

Poor people in the country get their water from wells, which cost money to drill but basically nothing to pump more water from.

Rationing might be a reasonable thing to do to keep the aquifer from being depleted, but it would be likely to hit poor people much harder than rich people, because poor people don't have the political influence to prevent the enactment of regulations that would hurt them badly, such as a requirement for an environmental review before drilling a new drinking-water well.

Rationing could cause poor people to die from lack of access to water. Markets won't, unless you're talking about something like a Mars colony.

  • amelius 4 days ago

    Well if you put it like that then I'm starting to wonder what shortage we are talking about in the first place.

    • Dylan16807 4 days ago

      A bunch of entities have perpetual promises for specific amounts of water, and sometimes the promises are too big and can't be fulfilled, or a city needs some water and can't get it allocated, or stuff like that. So, shortages.

      Add in some market mechanics and that problem disappears. The only entities left without water are the ones unwilling to pay a small fraction of a cent.

      • kragen 3 days ago

        If you're trying to water a cornfield big enough to feed your family, a fraction of a cent per liter might still be too much, though (and again we would predict that rationing measures would favor politically powerful agribusinesses and perhaps the Indian reservations over most small farmers). But it's not about dying of thirst.

        • Dylan16807 3 days ago

          A fifth of an acre of higher-water corn will provide more than 10k calories per day for a year. So about 5 acre inches, about half a million liters, if the price spikes up to 0.1 cents per liter that's $500 of water.

          I'm not particularly concerned with the viability of people farming their own food but that seems plenty cheap.

          Even desalinated water would be under a thousand dollars, and we could 10x the water supply at that point.

          > and again we would predict that rationing measures would favor politically powerful agribusinesses and perhaps the Indian reservations over most small farmers

          If the system allocates free water which can then be easily resold, the end result is basically the same as everyone paying but some entities get free money. Anyone expecting to buy their water should be no worse off.

mantas 4 days ago

What’s the point of rationing water to monoculture alfalfa fields? Looks like chips factory in that area makes much more sense.