Comment by Scubabear68

Comment by Scubabear68 4 days ago

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I know a large number of teachers who have been campaigning for years to eliminate all forms of teacher evaluations, with the claim that “you can’t measure what we do!”.

Which is utter horse shit, but it’s where we are today.

The result is that many schools don’t really track teacher performance, and as you indicate you can get wild inconsistencies.

The best parents can do (other than leaving) is to aggressively direct kids into the better teachers’ classrooms. We see that all the time - one class has kids who’s parents are “in the know” and gets the good teacher, the other class is where the kids get dumped who’s parents don’t complain. The district knows who is bad and who is not, but is afraid to anger the union, so anything short of actual violence by a teacher against a student won’t have any consequences.

Our school district local enrollment as a result has declined from around 900 kids to just 650 in just a few years as a result. The kids left are those too poor to go private or home school, those not lucky or connected enough to go to a “choice” school, and a small number of die hard loyalists reliving their glory days through their kids at the same school they went to.

marcuskane2 4 days ago

> but is afraid to anger the union, so anything short of actual violence by a teacher against a student won’t have any consequences

Everyone should watch the fantastic documentary "Waiting for Superman" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1566648/) that highlighted just how problematic the teacher's unions have become and how much of an impediment to education they are.

Even in cases of gross negligence (showing up to school drunk, completely failing to teach, etc) bad teachers just get bounced to another school. Teachers who physically assault or sexually abuse a student might remain on the payroll for years while the bureaucracy slowly reviews their case.

The unions have also prevented any form of incentivizing teachers to perform well or rewarding good teachers. In fact, the union leaders prevented the teachers from even voting on changes (that the majority of teachers wanted) that would have allowed good teachers to be rewarded and bad teachers to be removed from the classroom.

There are a lot of problems with education in America, but the teachers unions have to be right at the very top of the list.

  • nick__m 4 days ago

      In fact, the union leaders prevented the teachers from even voting on changes (that the majority of teachers wanted
    
    How is this possible, aren't union supposed to be democratic ? If the leadership oppose the majority, why can't they be voted out ?