Comment by throw4847285

Comment by throw4847285 4 days ago

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No offense, but the idea of having adult level social skills as a child is terrifying to me. Most of the people who I've encountered who describe themselves that way also talk about the burden of from a young age totally internalizing the idea of every interaction being a performance. Every interaction is a new opportunity to try and convince adults that you are worldly and smarter than other kids. That tends to mess you up. Of course, this is purely anecdotal.

quacked 4 days ago

"Adult-level social skills" for children was historically normal, and it's only in the past century that children are assumed to be incapable of speaking plainly and intelligently to adults, or vice versa.

You might want to do some looking into the "invention of childhood"; what we understand as "children, teenagers, young adults, adults" is a fairly modern way to look at "stages of development". In the distant past, children participated far more comfortably and fluently in adult society than they do today, when they're sequestered away.

It is very difficult to see any representations of this in the US, where most children are in school, so I'll point to examples in fiction: fictional novels or movies where the protagonist is taken confidently through an unfamiliar city by a child who seems to know every location, has a sleeping place, weapons, a method of finding money, and a network of friends. In these works of fiction, the child is almost always a semi-homeless "urchin"; but this is mostly because modern writers can't conceive of a child that capable without also assuming that the child's parents must not be involved in their life, because modern people equate "parenting and raising children" with "making sure children only ever do child-appropriate things".

My question to you: what do you think it would look like if two loving, attentive parents tried to raise a kid with the confidence and skills of those fictional street children, but also actually fed them and gave them a place to live?

It is very likely that the answer to that question is far closer to the way that children used to behave and live than the way that children are today.

I also recommend looking at old tests and study material (pre-1900, ideally pre-1800) for young children. Children can read, figure, write, and remember at a level far superior than they're assumed to be able to today, and that goes for adult socialization as well.

zaphar 4 days ago

It didn't mess me up and I didn't treat any interaction as a peformance. They were just fun conversations.

  • throw4847285 4 days ago

    Yeah, that's not fair to you at all, I'm sorry.

    • zaphar 4 days ago

      No apologies necessary. You were just sharing your own personal experiences. I wasn't offended or hurt.

      • throw4847285 4 days ago

        To be honest, I just saw a really phenomenal dark comedy routine about somebody who was adept at socializing with adults at 6 or 7 and I've been thinking a lot about that dynamic and the dark side of being a precocious kid. I wasn't that extreme, but I related to some of it, and then I ended up projecting that onto your description of home school kids. And yet, this guy wasn't home schooled. I think those are totally separate issues. Would be an interesting separate topic, though.