llm_nerd 4 days ago

In 1990 there were zero identified exoplants. Now there are 4000+. It isn't that there is the creation of lots of new planets, but that we started looking for them in earnest, and had the means to identify them.

Being diagnosed is the likely reason there is an explosion in mental health disorders. We go to lengths to apply a diagnostic label on every child. The massive variation in humans means that a huge portion are going to fall to the sides of the curve on all sorts of gradients. Older HNers will remember having a wide variety of kids among their cohorts, with "nerds", depressives, the hyperactive, the super driven and focused, and the manic depressives, etc, but likely zero were actually diagnosed in any way. Now you could apply a diagnoses on literally all of them.

This isn't judgmental, and it's good to know what people are dealing with, and to offer treatment or medication where possible.

Jean-Papoulos 4 days ago

Actually getting kids tested for them.

Gormo 4 days ago

Are children actually experiencing mental health disorders at a higher rate, or are we just classifying pre-existing variations in personality as behavior as mental health disorders at a higher rate?

  • stevenAthompson 4 days ago

    The DSM used to break mental health disorders down into what it called the multi-axial system. Axis 1 being the least impacting diseases, and axis 5 the most severe. At some point we had so many disorders that more than 50% of the population was seen to have Axis 1 or higher mental health disorders. This meant that more of the population was regarded as mentally ill than were considered "healthy."

    Rather than accept that >50% of the population being classified as mentally ill might be a sign we were thinking about things in a backwards way they just got rid of the multi-axial system in DSM 5.

    Problem solved.

  • aqme28 4 days ago

    I agree with your skepticism on this, but youth suicide rates have been steadily climbing. Unless we were misclassifying suicide, it seems like there is a rising mental health crisis.

    • llm_nerd 4 days ago

      Teen suicide rates have been falling in Europe and most of the world. North America has edged back up to 1990 levels, and it's largely alone in that trend.

      Europe and the rest of the world has social media as well. And of course 1990 didn't have social media.

      There are a lot of reasons teens can feel hopeless, and I think the hyper-partisan political atmosphere / circus, coupled with the existential crisis and very real career crisis caused by AI, at least in the common understanding, the rapid heating of the Earth, etc. I would attribute all of those as dramatically more likely to lead a child to seek an out more than social media, even if the latter is much easier to blame.

    • Gormo 4 days ago

      What skepticism did I express? There are two possible explanations for the value of a metric changing: either the thing being measured has changed, or the methodology of conducting the measurement has changed. I honestly do not know which is the case here.

    • zeroonetwothree 4 days ago

      Suicide rates were higher in the 80s

      • arkh 4 days ago

        And it got lower before going back up.

        You could use the exact same argument with the Earth temperature: it was higher 50 millions year ago.

ta_011525 4 days ago

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  • tokioyoyo 4 days ago

    All fairly US specific problems, but the problem with the youth is global. The biggest common factor among kids worldwide is prevalence of phones and social media in their lives.

  • voidUpdate 4 days ago

    > The social championing and normalization of transgenderism (literally a disorder)

    The "disorder" is gender dysphoria. The "cure" for that is being able to live as your chosen gender, eg being transgender. People aren't trying to "spread" it anyway, what gave you that idea? All the trans people I've met haven't been trying to convince other people to be trans, they're giving people advice when they need it. You cant make someone transgender just by trying to convince them they are if they aren't

    • Rooster61 4 days ago

      In my experience, most are terrified to make the change but do it anyways. A non trivial number of the general populace will loathe you on sight the second that change is made publicly. That'd scare me, too